The UFO and Supernatural thread

Certainly there are unidentified things in the sky which don't appear to behave like aircraft. Many of these probably aren't actually flying objects at all. Atmospheric and celestial phenomena along with optical illusions can account for some of these.

Then there are the many objects tracked on radar. Ground echoes, system glitches and even deliberately generated artificial returns can account for some of these.

The ones that are hardest to explain involve visual sightings from the ground and the air along with confirmed tracking by both airborne and ground radars. Secret aircraft could - and probably do - account for some of these.

Others which don't appear to behave at all like aircraft are more perplexing. There isn't any simple way to explain these, and there have been more than just a few over a period of many decades since they flew in formation over Washington DC on two weekends in 1952, effortlessly evading the jet fighters sent to intercept them.

The Air Force statement back then was that the objects seen by thousands on the ground and many pilots in the air were stars and meteors. The well-defined radar images were said to be ground returns reflected by temperature inversion, which was known to cause fuzzy ghost blobs on radars. The government's official position was that these were not real objects, that there had been no incursions into restricted airspace, and that the armed forces were ignoring these and any further sightings since they posed no threat to national security.

Since then, objects have been observed and tracked performing impossible maneuvers, like going from hover to hypersonic and back to hover instantly, with zero acceleration or deceleration time. Or descending from 18,000 feet to ground level in less than a second. Or making sudden acute turns at three times the speed of sound. (At that speed a Blackbird would need an area larger than Ohio to turn around.) Or literally flying circles around commercial aircraft at altitude, and playing cat-and-mouse with Navy fighters. Or diving into the ocean at speeds which would pulverize stone, then traveling at hundreds of miles per hour underwater and descending in minutes to impossible depths - many kilometers deep - while tracked on sonar.

They have demonstrated situational awareness of ships and aircraft in their vicinity, and clearly are under intelligent control.

I'm not saying that it has to be little green men or interdimensional time travelers. They might even be completely mechanical - some of their maneuvers should cause G forces that would liquefy any living occupants. "Robots from beyond the galaxy..." (cue warbly Theremin music). I have no idea.

Whatever these things are, they have found loopholes in physics as we understand it.
 

Attachments

... I was driving my dad's old 1960 Chevy Brookwood station
wagon, with the six cylinder engine, the three speed manual trannie,

May I just say, the Chevy straight six with the three-speed was one of the best power trains ever made.

I had a 250 straight six in my '71 Chevy Nova with the three-speed manual transmission. That combination could not be killed.

I miss that car.

Sorry for going off-topic.
 
Here's the picture NASA doesn't want anyone to see...
Flat earth Nasa.jpg
Put a scope on it, and you can see Gasket sailing about in his little boat...
Oi! Don't get too close to the edge there, mate! Krakens will getcha!

To me, the idea that we are alone in the 'verse seems alien, not the idea that
other life forms might be more advanced than we are. Personally, I believe that
LIFE is quite likely to be a characteristic of the universe, taking many forms.
Most other life forms seem likely to be so alien that we might not be able to perceive them. Contact seems unlikely, since Ammonia/Chlorine based chemistry is not compatible with Carbon/Oxygen based chemistry.

How about an alien space ship that's the size of a grain of salt... and which
contains a whole army of 20,000 teeny tiny invading droids that we could never even
see, and if they zapped us with their death rays, we wouldn't even feel it.
It could be happening now! How would we know? Why would we care?
If they took over the micro world, would it make any difference to us?

Or how about a heavy planet civilization, built on a Jupiter scale, to whom
we would seem like ants? They might not even notice us. These scenarios seem more likely than most of what gets published. ...but not VERY likely.

I ought to be a paperback writer...
 
Last edited:
C'mon Col, that story is ridiculous.
A ski area in Michigan?

Sure Mr. Tony, Michigan gets lots of snow. We don't have any real
mountains, like Colorado does or even Vermont. But where there's snow, there are people who love to ski on it.

The Ski Area I'm talking about in my crazy UFO story is in Lower Michigan, where we don't really get enough snow from Mother Nature, and we don't have even any big hills. So they built a few ski areas on local glacial moraines, and built them taller using a bulldozer and all the glacial gravel and sand, and then they became World Class Experts at the making of snow. We even have a Ski Area built on an old landfill... Of course everyone calls it Mt. Trashmore. *grins

A few decades ago, there was a Winter Olympics held in Sarajevo, when it was still "Yugoslavia" and before all the fighting broke out. That event went fairly well, except that large areas of the mountainous terrain was bare of snow. NOT normal for those mountains but simply, none fell.

So the Olympic Committee called the experts from a Southern Michigan Ski Area known as Mt. Brighton... who boast that they can cover their slopes in a scant few hours if given a temperature of 28 degrees F, or lower. Those guys went to Sarajevo and saved the event from embarrassment, using their snow-making equipment to make sure the ski trails had enough snow so the Olympians could do their stuff.

Now THAT is another 'strange but true" story from the nutty files of the Kernel... I swear it's true.
 
To me, the idea that we are alone in the 'verse seems alien, not the idea that
other life forms might be more advanced than we are. Personally, I believe that
LIFE is quite likely to be a characteristic of the universe, taking many forms.
Most other life forms seem likely to be so alien that we might not be able to perceive them. Contact seems unlikely, since Ammonia/Chlorine based chemistry is not compatible with Carbon/Oxygen based chemistry.
IMO the Universe likely is teeming with life, probably even intelligent life. When we look out at our galaxy we see it as it was thousands or hundreds of thousands of years ago, and if there are advanced technological civilizations contemporary with us it'll take centuries or millenia for the evidence to reach us.

Looking at other galaxies we're talking millions or billions of years delay. By the time radio signals from the most distant galaxies reach here, our Sun will long since have consumed the Earth. Conversely, we're seeing distant galaxies as they were long before there was life on Earth.

Our own radio & TV signals have only reached a scant handful of stars in our local backyard so far. Light seems fast but compared to cosmic distances it's quite slow indeed.

And it may also be that technological civilizations only use radio for a few hundred years before advancing beyond it. Given the sheer amount of area in question, the chances of a signal passing any planet during the time its inhabitants are capable of receiving and understanding it could be vanishingly small.

Who knows? By the time a response arrives we might be extinct, killed off by an asteroid strike or gamma ray burst - or by our own foolishness in one way or another.

How about an alien space ship that's the size of a grain of salt... and which
contains a whole army of 20,000 teeny tiny invading droids that we could never even
see, and if they zapped us with their death rays, we wouldn't even feel it.
It could be happening now! How would we know? Why would we care?
If they took over the micro world, would it make any difference to us?

This may already have happened hundreds of millions of years ago. It could be argued that bacteria are the dominant lifeform on this planet. They outnumber us by quadrillions, and every human body contains more bacterial cells than human cells. We are literally dependent on them for life - without them we'd die.

It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that the evolution of our DNA could have been directed over the ages - from the inside. Octopi can edit their own DNA to adapt to changes in their environment. We've been making advances for maybe ten thousand years - think about a lifeform that's been progressing for a billion years. Or longer. We have no idea what it would be like. Likely it'd be very different from anything we can imagine. Or perhaps even very similar to what we see in a microscope.

Okay, there's no evidence that bacteria are tool users. But how would we know? Maybe we have too narrow a definition of the concept. Or maybe we ARE the tools.

If a hammer were self-aware, would it recognize intelligence as a desirable quality? For a hammer, being superior would mean being bigger and heavier, able to pound harder on bigger things. We see intelligence & technology as defining qualities of advanced beings. Why? Because they allow us to understand - and manipulate - the universe around us.

What if truly advanced beings don't need technology at all, and our obsession with it is proof that we're dumb as hammers?
 
Back
Top