why solid state amps suck

gball said:
Lemmy's amps are legends in their own right. A lot has been written about them over the years.

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Lemmy by his own admission was a rythm gutiar player --- :hide::bash::hide::bash:

you all DO REALIZE tube amps and SS amps -- (and in fact many WELL PAID PRO TOURING musicians now just go to front of house with a pedal rig..) CAN ACTUALLY all live together -- in -- "harmony"

ALSO you do realize the dripping SARCASM in the video RIGHT?

OR did some (again) not do the home work and comment based on the thread title ??????
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eSGEe said:
you all DO REALIZE tube amps and SS amps -- (and in fact many WELL PAID PRO TOURING musicians now just go to front of house with a pedal rig..) CAN ACTUALLY all live together -- in -- "harmony"
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Ka-Ching!

There it is.

I’ll give you a real-world example of exactly that: the Trans-Siberian Orchestra.

About a year and a half ago when I saw them (shortly before COVID lockdowns) I was thoroughly impressed with their sound.

Well, I went and watched a rig rundown,

Not a single guitar amp is used.

At the time, Joel Hoekstra was using an Ax FX 2 XL and Chris Caffery was using an old rack mount Digitech DSP 1101.

Yes. Digitech.

I actually found Joel on Facebook and and asked him if TSO was going to start using the Ax FX 3, and replace the 2XL. He said that was part of the plan, but would wait until they were done touring for the season. I don’t know if COVID changed any of those plans, but the point is that a truly huge production with a massive sound is running direct to the desk from electronic effects units. Amps not required!

Incidentally, Joel Hoekstra is a busy man. Not only does he play for Trans-Siberian Orchestra, but he also plays for Cher and Whitesnake. I don’t know if he uses processors for those other gigs, too. But, the man seems to know what he is doing and isn’t at all bashful about processors and technology.
 
smitty_p said:
Ka-Ching!

There it is.

I’ll give you a real-world example of exactly that: the Trans-Siberian Orchestra.

About a year and a half ago when I saw them (shortly before COVID lockdowns) I was thoroughly impressed with their sound.

Well, I went and watched a rig rundown,

Not a single guitar amp is used.

At the time, Joel Hoekstra was using an Ax FX 2 XL and Chris Caffery was using an old rack mount Digitech DSP 1101.

Yes. Digitech.

I actually found Joel on Facebook and and asked him if TSO was going to start using the Ax FX 3, and replace the 2XL. He said that was part of the plan, but would wait until they were done touring for the season. I don’t know if COVID changed any of those plans, but the point is that a truly huge production with a massive sound is running direct to the desk from electronic effects units.
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And then there was the day at Kathy's house when Smitty came to hang out. He had a unique experience of which I can't convey his reaction as well as he can. What happened was he had a memorable reaction once he plugged into my 50 watt JMP through my 1960A cab.

I will let Smitty describe his experience.

FYI and we did not even crank it since Kathy was upstairs working and it mighta scared the 3 dogs.
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
And then there was the day at Kathy's house when Smitty came to hang out. He had a unique experience of which I can't convey his reaction as well as he can. What happened was he had a memorable reaction once he plugged into my 50 watt JMP through my 1960A cab.

I will let Smitty describe his experience.
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Yup!

That is the OTHER side of the coin!

Plugging straight into a serious, take-no-prisoners amplifier is an amazing thing!

I loved that, too. There was such a fullness to the sound and a complete lack of fizziness. My guitars have never sounded betfer.

So, I guess I see value in many approaches and don’t try to insist that one way is the best under all circumstances.
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
My Buddy Angelo used to play this amp and had the big folded 18 inch cab and of course I fell in love with his sound especially with his Music Man Bass.
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Hey Mark, I found a photo of Tommy's bass rig. This is what makes my 100 watt Marshall JMP sound so inferior. I could turn up a bit more, but I try to control the overall volume. Usually, I lose.


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SG John, You'd have loved the tight azz venue Angelo,Ronnie, Spike and John used to sardine can themselves into an 8x6 foot stage in the corner between 2 bars so their most ardent 50-75 fans could cram into the bar named The Horse You Came in On Saloon.

Needless to say, it was not just a show for the ears, but the whole body felt their Marshall's, Acoustic 360/361 and John's 26 inch Kick all put out.
 
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SG John said:
Hey Mark, I found a photo of Tommy's bass rig. This is what makes my 100 watt Marshall JMP sound so inferior. I could turn up a bit more, but I try to control the overall volume. Usually, I lose.


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The last bass player I had the pleasure to work with, had that same cab, massive thump
And the strange thing is his name is also Mark, he is in my old 1993 clips..
Cheers
 
Don O said:
I remember that name. Was that in Dundalk or Fells Point somewhere ?
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Fells on Thames St.

The Horse You Came In On is Maryland’s only bar to operate before, during, and after Prohibition.

The Horse You Came In On Saloon, located in Baltimore’s Fell's Point Historic District, is the only bar in America that can boast the dual attractions of live music every night of the week and the ghost of Edgar Allan Poe.
The bar that originally inhabited the Colonial-era building occupied by “The Horse,” as it’s known today, was founded in 1775, and the building has operated continuously as a bar and saloon ever since. It also claims the distinction of being the only bar in Maryland to operate before, during, and after Prohibition.
 
SG John said:
Hey Mark, I found a photo of Tommy's bass rig. This is what makes my 100 watt Marshall JMP sound so inferior. I could turn up a bit more, but I try to control the overall volume. Usually, I lose.
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This reminds me of a PDP-11 computer rack for some reason. Another classic solid state design ;)

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aon said:
Quilter ain't cheap though. Plenty of tube-powered options in the same price range...
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Yrah, but I don't care what's on the inside of the amp. I only care about how it sounds and what it can do for me. Choosing amp by what technology is on the inside rather than how I like it when I play it seems kind of counter productive.

It's interesting that you bring up the price point though. If you are going to compare SS and tube amps at all (or anything else for that matter), why wouldn't you compare similarly priced products? Anything else seems kind of unfair.
 
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