Why i dont buy cheapies

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Before i get into my Sshpeel here on cheap Electric guitars. I realize there are those just learning, who don't wish to purchase a more costly guitar until they find out if they are going to stick with it. And secondly another thing to consider is some do not have the financial means to buy a more expensive guitar. Aside from these reasons, I will begin the reasons why I do not buy cheap guitars .

1. Poor quality wood typically means insubstantial tone, light on base often hallow or empty in the important areas of midrange.Lack of resonance or sustain capability also a common problem.

2. Cheap electrical components can mean nasty, extraneous noise such as scratchy tone volume controls intermittent behavior from switches.

3. Pickups commonly poorly made, underwound, loosely wound, meaning weak signal and unmanageable microphonic squeal at rehearsal/gig volume. Grim machine heads, coupled with imprecise build , frequently leads to tuning nightmares. Some Instruments won't hole their tuning through a single track.

4. Necks can be very inconsistent with uneven fretting and / or improper Truss adjustment causing persistent fret board buzz, string bend choking, etc.

5. Frets on cheaper guitars can also protrude at edges of fretboard causing discomfort or injury to the player.


6. Tolerances on neck profile can be less rigid than more expensive Instrument's, which may exacerbate problems with discomfort further.

7. Inferior durability, sometimes grossly inferior can mean a cheap guitar just won't stand up to heavy use. General tolerances can be slack too, creating anything from severe playing disruptions to maintenance issues. For instance screw holes may be drilled to wide , causing screws to strip their heads when tightened , and eventually resulting in loose or unstable fittings.



For me I prefer to purchase a High quality well made guitar from the get go . Where I know the hardware and materials are top notch to my liking where I know the guitar will give me many years of good service. I am not one who wishes to put expensive components into a cheap guitar. in the end you still have a cheap guitar. My way of thinking is buy quality that sounds, plays and has everything you need right at the time you purchase then Rock On!!!!
 
I think you are confusing - or maybe conflating - high quality with high price. There are plenty of high quality guitars at low prices. Sometimes they have some of the faults you list, but so do expensive guitars. It's all about quality control, and even the best can fall down. It can be extremely easy to put in the last hour of effort needed to change an indifferent guitar to a great one and have money left over to buy a nice amp.

Although your list has merit, I think you are being too didactic in trying to make it a "never buy" proposition.
 
I would have to say the best thing about the guitar industry in 2019 is that you can get at any price range with a little research a good guitar be at $100 or $10,000 both have their merits both have their negatives
I can certainly say the $100 guitars of today are far better than the ones I was Finding for 50 to $100 in the 80s
 
Ya'll pull up a chair and let me lay this on ya -----

While our Brother From Cannuckistan makes a good point---- and has some LOVELY Godinasious Gear...I would like to come clean
AND point out if I had the "means" to only purchase "nicer" models-- OF COURSE I WOULD -- -not going to sit here and tell ya if I won the lottery tomorrow I wouldnt be out tomorrow buying some HIGH END KIT! -- we all KNOW I would! Like a drunken sailor on crack! Jimmys vintage music would look like a TORNADO hit it!

BUT I digress

--- WHILE I was waiting on the rain to stop today in Orlando so I could complete a parking lot measurement for bid--- I found myself RIGHT BY the Orlando Sam Ash--- well -- LUCKY ME--

I went in and fondled the new GIBSON DC JR with the big NORLIN looking Pick Guard (funny it felt and played EXACTLY like my 82 Epiphone USA Double Cut Jr......same neck same contours.....) I am a "FAN" of that guitar -- and for under 800.00 -- if anypne is THINKING about one-----------DO IT!


-- back to my point---
I was able to pull an Andertons ---comparo day!

USA FENDER P BASS 1199.00
MIM FENDER P BASS 679.00
SQuire P Bass 299.00

Back to back to back --side by side by side through the SAME Hartke bass amp all same settings-------

simply put IF I had RVA's credit card and was buying a bass today at fool retail (HA -- what a laugh) I woulda walked out with the MIM....... hands down.

all were VERY VERY VERY close in feel-- playabilty and --sorry-- TONE-- YES-- very close (too close IMHO for the HUGE price diff)

An pickup and or pot UPGRADE to the Squire would easily allow it to rival the MIM -- but if you get FENDER pups and good pots and (dress the fret ends!!!) well your getting NEAR MIM $$$

the MIM was perfection on all counts----as was the USA and the USA had the better tuners (though SQUIRE bass tuners have yet to let me down) and supposedly better electrics across the board but I am telling you it was NOT like "night and day" difference in the tone---- it just WAS NOT certainly not DOUBLE the $$$ difference

WILL the USA model hold its value better-- probably yes.
is it "MADE OF BETTER MATERIALS" sure-- (do you care when noodling in your guitar room for 30 minutes before dinner?????)
USED MIM Fender Ps are going for 300 or so (half off!! yeah) (decent price drop)
a 2010 USA "P" is on reverb now for 750.....OUCH thats a hit to the old investment wallet----(maybe the USA doesnt hold value much better?)

Are you a pro musician gigging and touring??????? MIM feels as "hearty" as the US ...and if the Drummer backs the RV over your bass case--- and crushes your MIM -- you will only beat his arse not go upt he river for MURDER which would be required if he slaughtered a USA P bass


its all in what ya want to do---- as I BASSically said in the previous post ---

I have a 50.00 used Squire P bass....that truly did not sound any worse than the MIM or the New Squire AND --- it WAS 50 FRIGGIN DOLLARS-- it GOES BOOM and if one of the dogs decides to use it for a chew toy ---- Im not going to commit suicide over it-- plus when I decide I want "something else" I can flip it for 50 to 80.00 PROFIT----but as we all know Im special---


I truly enjoyed Testing these back to back -- the SAMASH in Orlando is currently under renovations (painters and scaffolding and things covered with clear plastic--- plus the rain--at noon -- on a random Wed. meant I had the place damn near to MYSELF to run amuck ---what a blast---
 
If by cheapie you mean under $200 then I tend to agree with you. There are decent cheapie guitars but the difference between an Epi Special and even the lowest cost Gibson Les Paul is obvious at a glance. When you get into the higher end of the “cheap” brands the difference is very hard to notice and many times I prefer the stock high end cheapie over the stock low end big name brand.
 
If by cheapie you mean under $200 then I tend to agree with you. There are decent cheapie guitars but the difference between an Epi Special and even the lowest cost Gibson Les Paul is obvious at a glance. When you get into the higher end of the “cheap” brands the difference is very hard to notice and many times I prefer the stock high end cheapie over the stock low end big name brand.
 
FYI-- I played this -- exact one color and all----I mean not THE exact one but -- eh whatever---
799.000 for a NEW Gibbo -- its not to shabby at all...
AND HEY DAVE----look at that BIG pg.----can you say TRIPLE P-90!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!
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WILL the USA model hold its value better-- probably yes.
is it "MADE OF BETTER MATERIALS" sure-- (do you care when noodling in your guitar room for 30 minutes before dinner?????)
USED MIM Fender Ps are going for 300 or so (half off!! yeah) (decent price drop)
a 2010 USA "P" is on reverb now for 750.....OUCH thats a hit to the old investment wallet----(maybe the USA doesnt hold value much better?)


MAYBE the ANSWER is right there---- BUY THE USED USA FENDER P FOR 7 bills--- great value -- top notch instrument (middle notch $$)-- braggin rights around the water cooler ;)
 
FYI-- I played this -- exact one color and all----I mean not THE exact one but -- eh whatever---
799.000 for a NEW Gibbo -- its not to shabby at all...
AND HEY DAVE----look at that BIG pg.----can you say TRIPLE P-90!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!
LPJDT19WCCH1_MAIN_HERO_01.jpg

Is that one of the new 2019 junior's? Did you play it at the Lakeland, GC ?
 
For those
Ya'll pull up a chair and let me lay this on ya -----

While our Brother From Cannuckistan makes a good point---- and has some LOVELY Godinasious Gear...I would like to come clean
AND point out if I had the "means" to only purchase "nicer" models-- OF COURSE I WOULD -- -not going to sit here and tell ya if I won the lottery tomorrow I wouldnt be out tomorrow buying some HIGH END KIT! -- we all KNOW I would! Like a drunken sailor on crack! Jimmys vintage music would look like a TORNADO hit it!

BUT I digress

--- WHILE I was waiting on the rain to stop today in Orlando so I could complete a parking lot measurement for bid--- I found myself RIGHT BY the Orlando Sam Ash--- well -- LUCKY ME--

I went in and fondled the new GIBSON DC JR with the big NORLIN looking Pick Guard (funny it felt and played EXACTLY like my 82 Epiphone USA Double Cut Jr......same neck same contours.....) I am a "FAN" of that guitar -- and for under 800.00 -- if anypne is THINKING about one-----------DO IT!


-- back to my point---
I was able to pull an Andertons ---comparo day!

USA FENDER P BASS 1199.00
MIM FENDER P BASS 679.00
SQuire P Bass 299.00

Back to back to back --side by side by side through the SAME Hartke bass amp all same settings-------

simply put IF I had RVA's credit card and was buying a bass today at fool retail (HA -- what a laugh) I woulda walked out with the MIM....... hands down.

all were VERY VERY VERY close in feel-- playabilty and --sorry-- TONE-- YES-- very close (too close IMHO for the HUGE price diff)

An pickup and or pot UPGRADE to the Squire would easily allow it to rival the MIM -- but if you get FENDER pups and good pots and (dress the fret ends!!!) well your getting NEAR MIM $$$

the MIM was perfection on all counts----as was the USA and the USA had the better tuners (though SQUIRE bass tuners have yet to let me down) and supposedly better electrics across the board but I am telling you it was NOT like "night and day" difference in the tone---- it just WAS NOT certainly not DOUBLE the $$$ difference

WILL the USA model hold its value better-- probably yes.
is it "MADE OF BETTER MATERIALS" sure-- (do you care when noodling in your guitar room for 30 minutes before dinner?????)
USED MIM Fender Ps are going for 300 or so (half off!! yeah) (decent price drop)
a 2010 USA "P" is on reverb now for 750.....OUCH thats a hit to the old investment wallet----(maybe the USA doesnt hold value much better?)

Are you a pro musician gigging and touring??????? MIM feels as "hearty" as the US ...and if the Drummer backs the RV over your bass case--- and crushes your MIM -- you will only beat his arse not go upt he river for MURDER which would be required if he slaughtered a USA P bass


its all in what ya want to do---- as I BASSically said in the previous post ---

I have a 50.00 used Squire P bass....that truly did not sound any worse than the MIM or the New Squire AND --- it WAS 50 FRIGGIN DOLLARS-- it GOES BOOM and if one of the dogs decides to use it for a chew toy ---- Im not going to commit suicide over it-- plus when I decide I want "something else" I can flip it for 50 to 80.00 PROFIT----but as we all know Im special---


I truly enjoyed Testing these back to back -- the SAMASH in Orlando is currently under renovations (painters and scaffolding and things covered with clear plastic--- plus the rain--at noon -- on a random Wed. meant I had the place damn near to MYSELF to run amuck ---what a blast---





I like this!!!:)(y)
 
Is that one of the new 2019 junior's? Did you play it at the Lakeland, GC ?
NOooooo I played it Sam Ash in ORlando---

but it was VERY nice-- same FEEL as mny 82 USA Epi-- same vibe same neck (thin) but -- the newer "non glossy thick" nitro-- which to ME is better--

so it FELT like my beloved Epi--- but well------ BETTEr:blink:
 
SPEAKING OF "CHEAPIES"
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just loaded some tape wounds on this thing -- ACTIVE -- neck through Dean Demonator--- to be "honest" -- this (165.00 used buy price) RIPS THE HEAD off all three "Fender items" I played earlier today
its got a faster neck-- its as or better balanced -- it has Active Bartiloni pups-- a Warwick 2 part brass bridge and brass nut with grover tuners-0-----
165.00 -------
the bridge is 3 bills online!
Extremely Rare Solid Brass Warwick 3D Bridge, Improve Tone and Counter Neck-Dive - 624g/1.6lb

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH
 
THANK YOU --that thing is a BEAST---

I laugh at the 1.6lb brass bridge to counter neck dive------ the PEAVEY stock T series bridge-- is 3lbs min.
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I'll chime in since I have both.

I have inexpensive guitars and some very pricey guitars - what Lee Anderton would call, "dear." My most expensive guitar is over ten times the price of my cheapest.

I can say without hesitation my expensive ones are better than the inexpensive ones. They feel better, the fit and finish are better, and the overall build quality is better. They just seem more refined.

However, when I get a cheap guitar, I don't get junk. I still get a guitar that is a nice and playable instrument and I usually do so with the intention of modifying, sometimes drastically - as my recent Jackson mods illustrate.

I don't worry at all about the quality of the electronics and hardware in a cheap guitar, as I usually intend on replacing that stuff, anyway. If the cheaper guitar feels good, looks good, and is generally well-built, that's kind of how I look at it. I also don't do some sort of cost-benefit analysis to determine if the parts I'm installing are too pricey for the instrument. I've said before that I'm not averse to putting the Ferrari engine in the Ford F-150, so to speak. I approach mods with the intention of making it how I want it. The idea that the upgrade parts may be significantly more expensive than the original guitar really has little bearing on the decision-making process.

Oddly (or maybe, not oddly, at all), I sometimes feel more comfortable playing the cheaper ones I've really modded as they now are more customized to my tastes.

So, I sort of think there is room for both kinds of instruments. But, I will say...with a cheap guitar, you can find where the corners were cut if you look closely enough.
 
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Also I would add it is .......well FUN for me anyway. And a hobby (that makes me $ rather than just spending it) to take an unloved crusty dirty discarded cheap guitar from a flea market...yard sale or pawn shop .......straighten its flaws fix it's short comings and coax the music from within that cheap lump of wood.
Then to sell it to a new home a new owner who likes/loves cherishes and plays it is actually slightly rewarding and it is for that reason I SEARCH OUT cheap low dollar unloved cast offs....vagabonds.....broken and damaged gear.....to give it a second chance!! .........and uhm PROFIT!!!
its rare to find 59 lesters for 50.00 to flip but you can find beat up squires and Peaveys and epiphone and Dean's all day long like that ;)
 
FYI-- I played this -- exact one color and all----I mean not THE exact one but -- eh whatever---
799.000 for a NEW Gibbo -- its not to shabby at all...
AND HEY DAVE----look at that BIG pg.----can you say TRIPLE P-90!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!
LPJDT19WCCH1_MAIN_HERO_01.jpg

If these suckers had humbuckers in them I'd already have one. I've been wanting to get a cheap guitar that I can take with me on weekend trips and things like that and not have to worry about it - just grab my little Blackstar Fly and go. But I need 'bucker(s).
 
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