Why Do We "Over-Trick" Everything???

iblive said:
Funny you would say this. You’re the same age as my youngest. He and several of his HS classmate started up a garage band. Did mostly their own music.... original stuff. Also did covers of groups like Green Day and Blink. They were actually pretty good. A little rough around the edges, but that’s to be expected just getting started. Then of course. Life happens. Kids go to college in all corner of the country. Band just kind of drifted apart. But it was sure fun for this dad for the couple years they were making music together.
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Sounds like he and I were on the same trip then! My dad, like you with your son, was massively supportive of what we attempted and I'll always be grateful for that. He had pulled a lot of extra side jobs to help get the other gear we needed like a PA and some other amps. Of course me and my brother went into child labor and helped on them out of decency lol

Me and my brother who is a few years older, kinda just moved our stuff into the garage one summer day. He had switched from guitar to drums and when my best friend decided to start bringing his guitar over, the rumblings of a garage band kinda just happened . We tried to recruit another friend to play bass but he fit into the description of the other kids in school who was only in it for the trend and quit shortly after. We got lucky and found a younger bassist that my older sister had been babysitting his step-siblings and he was phenomenal. Always lacked a proper singer but enlisted another friend who lacked talent but had guts and guts was enough lol he was never shy and sang his ass off whether it was on key or not.

Unfortunately, my band got Yoko Ono'ed one day when my brother ran off with his controlling girlfriend ( now his wife of 20 years lol) and it just all fell apart within weeks of him quitting and never finding a replacement. It was a blast and i really mourn for those days.
 
Clockworkmike said:
Sounds like he and I were on the same trip then! My dad, like you with your son, was massively supportive of what we attempted and I'll always be grateful for that. He had pulled a lot of extra side jobs to help get the other gear we needed like a PA and some other amps. Of course me and my brother went into child labor and helped on them out of decency lol

Me and my brother who is a few years older, kinda just moved our stuff into the garage one summer day. He had switched from guitar to drums and when my best friend decided to start bringing his guitar over, the rumblings of a garage band kinda just happened . We tried to recruit another friend to play bass but he fit into the description of the other kids in school who was only in it for the trend and quit shortly after. We got lucky and found a younger bassist that my older sister had been babysitting his step-siblings and he was phenomenal. Always lacked a proper singer but enlisted another friend who lacked talent but had guts and guts was enough lol he was never shy and sang his ass off whether it was on key or not.

Unfortunately, my band got Yoko Ono'ed one day when my brother ran off with his controlling girlfriend ( now his wife of 20 years lol) and it just all fell apart within weeks of him quitting and never finding a replacement. It was a blast and i really mourn for those days.
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Yeah. Same here. We bought his first bass. Helped buy a pretty decent bass amp. His grandma helped us with that one. He pretty much played the bass till it basically died. We have the amp upstairs in one of our bedrooms. He’s self taught, but is driven way more than I have ever been, when it comes to things musical. He got really good on bass.
 
iblive said:
Yeah. Same here. We bought his first bass. Helped buy a pretty decent bass amp. His grandma helped us with that one. He pretty much played the bass till it basically died. We have the amp upstairs in one of our bedrooms. He’s self taught, but is driven way more than I have ever been, when it comes to things musical. He got really good on bass.
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Thats awesome! If you can take lessons and study music, that is absolutely wonderful. But like your son, i learned on my own as well and basically sealed myself in my room night and day until I figured out things lol
 
steveb63 said:
You can't fake "heart"

People see- hear through that type of thing. When I hear you play, you translate yourself through the guitar, I can tell.

Some people play guitar for the chicks- lol, some for the recognition, some for the party.

Some of us play because we have to, if that makes any kind of sense!
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Steve I am like Kim Mitchell, he says it best in this song. Some say i'm in it for the money, But i'm in it for LOVE LOVE LOVE. By the way this is an awesome tune, makes me want to play guitar...And notice he's playing the right style of guitar..;)


 
Session 5 said:
Steve I am like Kim Mitchell, he says it best in this song. Some say i'm in it for the money, But i'm in it for LOVE LOVE LOVE. By the way this is an awesome tune, makes me want to play guitar...And notice he's playing the right style of guitar..;)


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Wish more people down here knew who this guy is.

He's had a great career, but I still believe he should have hit bigger than he did. Great musician.
 
Clockworkmike said:
Thats awesome! If you can take lessons and study music, that is absolutely wonderful. But like your son, i learned on my own as well and basically sealed myself in my room night and day until I figured out things lol
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He spent hours working with recordings until he’d be playing note for note. Songs by Tool: Schism and 46 & 2. A Blink tune: Carousel. several others in that genre. Oh yeah. And he “borrowed” my acoustic for most of his college years and after and while still playing his bass. He taught himself to play guitar. Something he’s way better on than I am and I’ve been playing at this thing since 1973.
 
I think it sounds good as well. It all comes down to the musicians taste and the Producers intent. What works for one band, may not work for another. Let's just take the examples of Adam Jones, Slash, Eric Johnson, just to name a few that have very specific visions of how their guitar sounds on the recording.

I've always said that the recorded guitar and the live guitar are two completely different animals. I can understand spending extra time and effort to get that last 5% of guitar tone perfection on a recording, but in a live setting, you only need to be in the general ball park for tone for the audience to enjoy it. It's all about playing and attitude live that sells the performance.

"it could be Pip farting on a snare drum for all you care!"

"hey man, I ain't fartin' on no snare drum!"
 
Robert Herndon said:
I've watched guys move a microphone around for 45 minutes, recording sound clips and looking for some mythical 'sweet spot' that I do not believe exists. I've also watched studio engineers set up 5 to 8 microphones on a guitar cabinet. Vocally, I've been seated in front of a Decca Tree more times than I can remember. In the end, is it really better???
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Yeah, I’ve not had to do that for many years now(move mic’s around a lot, to find what I’m looking for)...once you learn your tools...
That said, there definitely are sweet spots to be had with mic’s and speakers and noises to be stolen from the ether.
Five to eight mic’s on a single cab?....yeah...do they all make the final mix? Or are they there for tonal options per passage played?(like: flip it to the 421 and the Royer ribbon for the chorus...then back to the 57 and the AT4040 for the bridge....etc.) Certainly, mic placement, and preamp/channel strip choice, have huge effects on tone captured.
To some of us, having choices to roll with on a performance capture is fun(and sometimes important...like when the engineer is not the talent/player, and the talent/player is not going to be available/affordable for dubbing)
Heck! I usually use 9 mic’s, max, to do my full band live: 3 vocalists, 2 guitars, 4 drums....the bass goes DI. 10 tracks total usually gets it done well enough for documentation purposes.
 
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