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[QUOTE="Tony M., post: 69703, member: 39"
You have tried many times to get into him?
If you have to try to like a guitar player something is wrong.
They either grab you or they don't.
The reason you can't get into him is
He.
Is.
Awful.
[/QUOTE]

I "got into" Leslie West after one note.

I guess, for me anyway, the tone grabs me (or repulses me) first, and the arrangement keeps me interested.

"Cold Day In Hell" by Gary Moore is one such tune...
 
The general decline in musical talent/technical proficiency, which began to take root in the late 1980's, still poisons music today.

Being a guitarist and showman seemed to yield to bands who really couldn't play leads and they just produced music commensurate with their skill level.

I remember listening to many bands who were so awful live that you couldn't recognize them audibly.

Dragonforce and Airbourne are noted exceptions to this decline.

A buddy had a Stratocaster on his workbench recently and only the first 6 frets had been installed.

I asked him, "Hey! Is that the new Blink-182 signature model?"

We had a good laugh over that one...
 
Being a guitarist and showman seemed to yield to bands who really couldn't play leads and they just produced music commensurate with their skill level.


This another one of those “ different strokes for different folks” things.

Personally, I was a little glad to see the decline of guitar leads.

I felt like the whole “guitar solo” thing had become trite and cliche. All the other instrumentation sort of took a back seat to whatever the lead guitarist would improvise.

Don’t get me wrong, I love a good solo and I like playing leads, but there is so much more to explore and take advantage of in a good song. I feel like there is more of a whole band experience when it doesn’t all come down to a solo.
 
I am really into the Blues and there are a couple of players that really grab me and don't let go. BB King was one of them, he was a genius and passed far to young if you ask me. Gino Matteo is brilliant as well. He hasn't been around as long as some of the others but his music is awesome. I love a player that tells a story and along with others these guys tell a story.
 
The general decline in musical talent/technical proficiency, which began to take root in the late 1980's, still poisons music today.

This statement doesn't compute to me. At all. Sorry, but this thinking reminds me of my father when I was teenager listening to UFO, wistfully bemoaning the loss of "real" music made by "real" musicians because he didn't hear Benny Goodman and Tommy Dorsey on the radio any more.

What my ears tell me is that today's musicians are by far more savvy, well-versed, versatile, and if you have to use the word, talented, than in the past. After all, they have all of the music from the past to listen to and create their own musical vocabulary from. Sources of learning are vastly better and easier to access than in the past. The equipment is vastly superior than in the past.

The great music is out there, go find it and listen and be amazed if you are able to look beyond the past as a guide. Musical evolution didn't end with '80's hard rock any more than the evolution of the electric guitar ended in the '50's or the evolution of amps ended in the '60's.
 
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This statement doesn't compute to me. At all. Sorry, but this thinking reminds me of my father when I was teenager listening to UFO, wistfully bemoaning the loss of "real" music made by "real" musicians because he didn't hear Benny Goodman and Tommy Dorsey on the radio any more.

What my ears tell me is that today's musicians are by far more savvy, well-versed, versatile, and if you have to use the word, talented, than in the past. After all, they have all of the music from the past to listen to and create their own musical vocabulary from. Sources of learning are vastly better and easier to access than in the past. The equipment is vastly superior than in the past.

The great music is out there, go find it and listen and be amazed if you are able to look beyond the past as a guide. Musical evolution didn't end with '80's hard rock any more than the evolution of the electric guitar ended in the '50's or the evolution of amps ended in the '60's.

First, I submit to you that I am a musical dinosaur...and I must both agree and disagree with you, respectfully of course. However, I stipulate the music scene did not end with the 80's, as you have pointed out.

I hear the diversity in today's music, but I fail to see true modern guitar talent - in the way of say Gary Moore or George Lynch for example - in modern music.

Example - FFDP Guitarist Jason Hook - Studio Musician Extraordinaire. Highly Talented and I dig their song "Wash It All Away," and his solo in that song is indeed tasteful, but it doesn't leave my jaw hanging open, like some of George Lynch's solos, or Gary Moore's solo in "Out IN The Fields" and "Cold Day IN Hell."

I did like Volbeat's "Seal The Deal," but the solo is not awe inspiring.

AV7X's "Unholy Confessions" is a good tune, but nothing to speak of in terms of lead work.

I have listened to many modern bands, and other than Airbourne, I find very, very little that appeals to me, so I just stopped musical experimentation altogether since I cannot justify forcing myself to try and accept mediocrity in the music as somehow acceptable to my ear.

I just cannot subscribe to Djent, Grunge, Screamo, Techno, Rap, etc.

I live in a comfortable bubble. My music in my car is a step back into the 1980's/1990's and I like it there. I suppose that, perhaps, I also write original music in a similar vein????
 
Robert, you know me and you know I respect your opinion. I am just coming from a place where I hear us (older) guitar players stuck under a proverbial rock, constantly comparing modern players to guys from 30 and 40 years ago and wondering why they don't do the same styles...and it's because the don't want to, not because they can't. Critical difference, but I totally understand it. I didn't want to play my fathers' or grandfathers' music when I was in my 20's and 30's and these guys don't either. Does that make them any less a great player? Not in my book, and I hear true talent all around when I listen to new music. There are dozens of hard rock and metal players, let alone the progressives and those that defy category, that can play circles around our aged/dead hero's, doing things those guys never dreamed of. I get it if their music doesn't "move" you but to deny the talent and dismiss what they do as musical mediocrity is, in my mind, a kind of unwillingness to acknowledge that time has moved on and music has evolved beyond our comfort zones. The blistering rock solos of the '70's and '80's have given way to something altogether different but no less important, and I try to challenge my own comfort zone all the time. It helps me to appreciate music more and in the end makes me a better player. If all I do is play the styles that I played in the '80's and '90's then I am not evolving, and if I am not evolving the joy is lost.
 
Robert, you know me and you know I respect your opinion. I am just coming from a place where I hear us (older) guitar players stuck under a proverbial rock, constantly comparing modern players to guys from 30 and 40 years ago and wondering why they don't do the same styles...and it's because the don't want to, not because they can't. Critical difference, but I totally understand it. I didn't want to play my fathers' or grandfathers' music when I was in my 20's and 30's and these guys don't either. Does that make them any less a great player? Not in my book, and I hear true talent all around when I listen to new music. There are dozens of hard rock and metal players, let alone the progressives and those that defy category, that can play circles around our aged/dead hero's, doing things those guys never dreamed of. I get it if their music doesn't "move" you but to deny the talent and dismiss what they do as musical mediocrity is, in my mind, a kind of unwillingness to acknowledge that time has moved on and music has evolved beyond our comfort zones. The blistering rock solos of the '70's and '80's have given way to something altogether different but no less important, and I try to challenge my own comfort zone all the time. It helps me to appreciate music more and in the end makes me a better player. If all I do is play the styles that I played in the '80's and '90's then I am not evolving, and if I am not evolving the joy is lost.

Good points, as always. You are indeed wise and observant.

Ok, I really started thinking about this and I came up with something. Herman Li of Dragonforce really is an amazing guitarist. technically proficient. High energy. I'm not a huge fan of DF's music, but I acknowledge his fretboard prowess.

I suppose I am stuck in my bubble, perhaps by choice, or perhaps an unwillingness to evolve. I recall when I wrote my first 'Drop-D' piece - I really didn't know how to react to it, as it was so far from my zone, so to speak.

I suppose I find as much enjoyment hearing "Wicked Sensation" for, what is quite possibly, the 100,000th time, paerhaps even more so, than I do hearing the new stuff. Or, perhaps I haven't been looking in the right places.

I love Airbourne,for both their energy and tone, but they are, in some musical aspects, dated so to speak.

When I was in "The Travellers," up until November 2017 - I really disliked doing the old Neil Young/Buffalo Springfield/Yardbirds/Steve Winwood stuff. Although I stuck with it, I find more enjoyment from writing/recording my own material and playing 1980's covers.

I guess I have become that old man, set in his ways it seems...

Let me share something personal if I may. I was in an Eagle's tribute band once, for a short period, as a paid guitarist. I played Felder's "character" if you will - flannel shirts, suspenders, beard and all. I loved that job. I NEVER got tired of playing the same setlist over and over again, because I discovered something..those songs resonated with me as the songs of my youth, and my ability to perform them became effortless. and in that spirit, I could give a performance second only to Don Felder himself, in terms of energy and feel.

In summary - I was in heaven.

When I auditioned in May 2017 for the Arena Rock Cover Band, I NEVER had more fun than playing that audtion of all 80's/90's covers. It was just such a great and fun experience. Had I have not been obligated to the blues band at the time, i would have taken the job.

I do enjoy writing and recording my originals, but I disappoint myself often that what I write doesn't measure up to some of my guitar heroes....

Therapy???
 
I am not a fan of Rap, Hip Hop, Reggae, Death metal, Etc. I listen to some of the Pop Rock, But the music I like to play is the 60s through 70s and some 80s. To me there is too much what I call synthetic sounds in the music Industry today. I like the days of the Beatles, Animals ,Yardbirds Etc, What I call raw sounds of the instrument's themselves. Nothing I like better than hearing three guys playing Electrics and a guy pounding away on a set of real drums. They had such great sounds back in the 60s and 70s . And the songs had that uplifting spirit about them, you could hear the words and new what they were saying. Today there are some so called Artists out there I wonder how they ever made it. I cant believe what some listen to nowadays. I have to say I like hillbilly Rock/ Country. At least I know what they are saying, And I like those Electric guitar pickers. Hearing those Strats and Teles to me that's where its at.
 
Therapy???

Nope. This is supposed to be fun, and you have identified the things that make it fun for you. Maybe I make it all too complicated for myself in the end but for me a lot of the fun has always been in the experience of finding something new, either in band an individual player or myself. The greatest drug to me is hearing something that surprises me in a song, something I have never heard before and wouldn't have thought of. That gets me off and inspires my playing.
 
You know...I often daydream and I am awake often at night. Music really is a huge part of my thoughts.

I remember seeing The Beatles play "Shake it Up" live in a stadium on TV as a kid. I think it was a 1966 Performance....and it must have been 1976...and Lennon wasn't super polished...but they rocked it, Man.

Same with Page and Zepp.

And growing up in the 1980's, I guess those songs take me back.

I've had people ask me why I had tears on my cheeks on the last number...even if the song isn't a sad one...I just tell them, it's because I feel like I'm dying as the performance draws to a close.

Playing is the only time I feel normal and alive...
 
You know...I often daydream and I am awake often at night. Music really is a huge part of my thoughts.

I remember seeing The Beatles play "Shake it Up" live in a stadium on TV as a kid. I think it was a 1966 Performance....and it must have been 1976...and Lennon wasn't super polished...but they rocked it, Man.

Same with Page and Zepp.

And growing up in the 1980's, I guess those songs take me back.

I've had people ask me why I had tears on my cheeks on the last number...even if the song isn't a sad one...I just tell them, it's because I feel like I'm dying as the performance draws to a close.

Playing is the only time I feel normal and alive...



I hear you Brother. When I was younger there was just something Magical about the Beatles, Stones, Yardbirds the 60s and 70s were great for me as a young lad growing up in a Northern town of 1,000. I still remember watching the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964 on a black and white television, to me these were the good old days. And over all these years I have never forgotten these times and the songs that remind me of those days. They were the best days of my life and I want to remember them. That's why I got back into guitar almost 4 years ago now, yes to play guitar of course, but also it was to play and sing those very songs that gave meaning to my life. And when I play these songs and I see my friends with tears in their eyes it gives me satisfaction in knowing these Great songs of yesteryear still have impact on them as well. For me singing these Classic Rock tunes gives me a purpose and fullfilment in my life.
 
This another one of those “ different strokes for different folks” things.

Personally, I was a little glad to see the decline of guitar leads.

I felt like the whole “guitar solo” thing had become trite and cliche. All the other instrumentation sort of took a back seat to whatever the lead guitarist would improvise.

Don’t get me wrong, I love a good solo and I like playing leads, but there is so much more to explore and take advantage of in a good song. I feel like there is more of a whole band experience when it doesn’t all come down to a solo.
I've been layed up, so I'm looking around a bit. I really, really, hate to say this (I love Bruuuce) but the opposite can be true. Who wouldn't sound good with an orchestra or choir? Or in Springsteen's case, IMHO, him playing third to Lofgren and vanZandt? Now I'm crying !!! Once in a while, he'll cut loose; I figure this is how he can do 4 hour sets, if you let everybody else do the work. But, day-um, he did write, arrange, and sing the stuff, and showmanship. . .and BTW I like his old, raw, '70s stuff most. Sorry this is old, but like I said, I'm just cruisin . . .
 
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