tronicals ----it happened

Well---- the tuners from Goo arrived-- and -- (me being me) I dug out the battery charger----- surely -- they havent given out on me-----
I climbed deep back into the WILDEST dark reaches of the closet -- behind clothes and Xmas Decorations and dust--- to find the case I had not seen since the day I got it ---got out the charger and fired it up!

loaded the charged battery and-- 5 out of six strings perfect--- G string STILL sharp -- very sharp-----so--

I thought-- PERHAPS installer error-- I removed the g string and went back through the steps to install it--- and --- after 3 resetting attempts----still no dice-- the G is sharp-----

so it appears -- there is no hope in mudville---

Grovers shall soon adorn the 2015 ------les paul Jr.

I admit 100% defeat---
 
I'm still thinking "operator error".
How about checking the book to adjust the 2nd string to G. These things (as you know) can be set to all kinds of different tuning, possible accidental change took place.
 
I found this thread interesting... I don't own any robot tuners.
I'm quite happy with the stomp tuners and the clips I use every time
I play.

But i remember sweaty nights in smokey bars where the beer was
cold and the chicks were hot... and my good guitar would not stay in
tune. I remember swearing that whosoever would invent a robot servo
to tune the strings to pitch automatically and keep them that way...
would become very rich.

So when the robot tuners were announced in like 2007 or eight,
I was fascinated. But I would say that the majority of posts I read
were negative. The majority posted that they either DID remove the
robot tuners right away, or they WOULD remove the robot tuners right
away.

Personally, I haven't had such great results from modernistic technological
marvels that I would want to trust things like robot tuners at an important
gig. (although I consider the Boss Stomp Tuner to be a modern technological
marvel. As soon as I saw other players using them, I understood the useful
nature of the stomp, and bought one the next day. I've had a Boss TU-2 for
more than twenty years and kicked the poop out of it over and over, and it's still
accurate and works in bright sun or dark stage... hard to beat.

So I read your thread with sympathy, and I feel like you've given the robot
tuners a very fair opportunity to prove their worth. And they failed you.
So that's the answer IMHO.
 
eSGEe said:
Well---- the tuners from Goo arrived-- and -- (me being me) I dug out the battery charger----- surely -- they havent given out on me-----
I climbed deep back into the WILDEST dark reaches of the closet -- behind clothes and Xmas Decorations and dust--- to find the case I had not seen since the day I got it ---got out the charger and fired it up!

loaded the charged battery and-- 5 out of six strings perfect--- G string STILL sharp -- very sharp-----so--

I thought-- PERHAPS installer error-- I removed the g string and went back through the steps to install it--- and --- after 3 resetting attempts----still no dice-- the G is sharp-----

so it appears -- there is no hope in mudville---

Grovers shall soon adorn the 2015 ------les paul Jr.

I admit 100% defeat---
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Also How do these Tronicals account for stretching of strings? Are all the strings stretched until they stabilize, and the tuners know ok I am done, all will stay stable?
 
Col Mustard said:
So I read your thread with sympathy, and I feel like you've given the robot
tuners a very fair opportunity to prove their worth.
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Adrian and I have talked about this (privately) and personally I don't think he has (given the robot tuners a very fair opportunity) BUT that doesn't matter ... his tuners, his decision.
 
Gasket-- I took your comments to heart-- and made a serious effort this past week --- I contacted the tronical manufacturer--- I contacted Gibson-- I was given several things to try-- I was sent emails and downloads from Gibson on doing a complete factory reset to the tronical system and -- then a re-calibration phase step by step then---I tried 8 more times to tune the guitar-- and the tuners are extremely consistent---since the string change they tune perfectly (verified with 2 OTHER tuners-- 1 clip on -- one in line boss)
E
A
E
g# (extremely sharp)
B
E

I have tuned the guitar at least a dozen times since the change and every time the above disappointing result is achieved.

Gibson does not warranty the tronicals -- they are fast to point out the contract between tronical and Gibson is over and tronical didnt even respond to email or voice mail--
-- at least Gibson has tried to help--
I was told I can take to an Authorized Gibson repair tech and see if they can get it working (I quote the Gibson tech here) "but they have the same calibration and reset paperwork I just sent you---so.....yeah, you might have to switch to traditional tuners"

I LOVED the robotuners--- I made note of that on this very forum many times---I WANTED THEM TO WORK -- I wanted my 2015 LP JR 100 to stay pristine and factory original---I didnt WANT to drill screw holes in its lovely headstock----- and I dont have to!!!! -----I can LEAVE the non working tronicals where they sit and tune by hand ---- (a proceedure NOT recommend in any liturature as it "wears out the gears"--

or just NEVER play the guitar again---

Gibson didn't OFFER a free set of tuners--FYI--- they did state swapping them will not effect my warranty ---

SO -- I am Glad yours are working Gasket-- lets see for how long.........you bought your SG after I got the JR........ tick---tock---tick---tock
 
Warning, S word in video. LMAO, UT OH, the F word and Balls too.


HAHA he made reference to a charger too. These tuners have been out this long and OMG I had no idea they needed a charger till Adrian mentioned it in an earlier post.
 
Interesting stuff... I have no axe to grind in this, I'm just interested.
I'm especially interested in the experience of those for whom this technology works well,
AND I'm also interested in the experience of those who have tried to learn how to use it
and been frustrated.

It's not supposed to be frustrating. It's s'posed to make our lives easier, so we can get the
gig and get the girl and be invited back. (that's what my stomp tuners do, and that's what
the snark clip-ons do, and that's why I don't have a pre-made opinion). I'm interested in all
of it.
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
Warning, S word in video. LMAO, UT OH, the F word and Balls too.


HAHA he made reference to a charger too. These tuners have been out this long and OMG I had no idea they needed a charger till Adrian mentioned it in an earlier post.
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I used a few less F bombs....but yes-- they arent perfect for sure---
 
TRONICAL SAGA--- continued---

I was out of town all of yesterday-- I came home --and the top of the ta do list was--- re calibrate and try YET AGAIN --- after strings had had time to set-- neck everything had set for several days unmolested --and give it one last try -- I mean these are BRAND NEW STRINGS and since you cut them so short for the tronicals -- I could NOT REUSE them --- getting these to work was saving me a whole 3.00!!!

went through the steps again re calibrated the whole system to a factory reset---
same results
E
A
E
G#
B
E

I removed entirely the D and G strings --- replaced the brass nut with the silver--steel alumination WTF ever it is--- restrung it ALLLLLLLLL BACK up-----I have been dicking with this most the afternoon---
Result

Plain and simple -- the shite is broke-- period....

Thank
you Johnny Goo-- I swapped the Grovers out -- went to 10's (wasnt about to even begin to try that with the tronicals -- changing string gauge is a WHOLE OTHER set of manual instructions)
al lset up and playing WONDERFULLY-- even Lola approves ;)
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Happy for you, she's making sweet noise again.
I'd love to know what the issue is with the robots.
 
the "pro guess" was a software gliche -- telling it that E-a-E-G#-B-E was/is standard tune---- and its unanimous in that fact -- it will not alter--
I was contemplating setting up "custom tune" setting-- which would be ACTUAL standard tune-- (out think the machine) -- but --- on this last "test-- and wind unwind -- the "D" tuner started sounding very different from the other 5 -- instead of the typical whirring ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ--- it was more of a GGGGRRRRIIIINNNDDDDDDDD ---- that was the point at which I said--
DONE--it inevitable-- these things are GREAT -- loved em-- but they are past due -- before I have a major catastrophic failure-- Im stopping and throwing in the towel---and Im rather over it at this point--
not sure if its the tuners--the 10's -- or swapping the brass for metal nut-- but Im getting richer lower tones and better sustain -- overall HAPPY camper
 
Grovers work perfectly the first time, and will continue to work perfectly for the next 100 years.
That's my story & I'm sticking to it.

Oh yeah, they don't take batteries either...
 
Im so happy with the TONE of the changes-----Im contemplating DUMPING the Circuit board and going old school 50's wiring.....
thoughts?
ORange drop?
bumble bee?
Vitamin Q???
any one swap theres out there?
Ray?????? didnt you swap yours ????
 
I notice this LEs Paul-- has NO shielding paint in the cavity --- (IM NOT LYING) my CHIBSON -- knock off -- illegal -- (to some P.O.S.) has -- get this------
SHIELDING PAINT in the pup cavities and control cavity! -- uhm -- really ?????
 
eSGEe said:
Im so happy with the TONE of the changes-----Im contemplating DUMPING the Circuit board and going old school 50's wiring.....
thoughts?
ORange drop?
bumble bee?
Vitamin Q???
any one swap theres out there?
Ray?????? didnt you swap yours ????
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I gutted the circuit board. I do not recall a significant tonal change, in the Jr, but I was much happier with neatness and quality. I was even happier with the brass to tusq nut change - the strings felt solid
 
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