Think Gibson USA QC Has Improved...

eSGEe said:
but isnt 800.00 for a Gibson Studio -- or Firebird studio for 700 ...........better?

Paul (REED SMITH) stuff is off the chart $ wise IMHO that guy lost my business years ago--

most Gibson - -and some fender stuff is also "off the hook" --- I mean COME ON
anything over about 7-800.00 is to much $ (yes I own a couple worth MORE than that -- BUT I DIDNT PAY THAT)

its wood strings and wiring (and solder --ugh) -- everyone here KNOWS the voodoo and whodo and what not that makes the MAGIC happen
we have all SEEN BEHIND THE CURTAIN -- the veil is off --lets admit it.

there is and should be a CEILING to the $$$$$$$ amount its "really" worth -----realistically --

but yet there are those who will PAY STUPID $$$ for things .................................
and to them I say

I have a $1,700.00 custom shop "GIBSON" Thunderbird Id like to sell you ;) ;)

no really.......and I have this SG that was used in many Recordings at Capital Records --- its worth well over 6 figures........bring cash -- -lets talk
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I'm going to start outsourcing my parking lots to China since I can get them cheaper and the quality will be the same. I mean it's just tar and gravel right?
 
I dont sweat the minute amounts of stain on the binding. Who cares it will wear off. On Gibsons or all Archtop guitars for that matter i check the neck angle. I mean if you got a nice low action but the bridge is cranked up high just toss that one back. And look how the strings line up on the fret board. This applys to ANY guitar. If there way off to one side toss it . Now with bolt necks you MIGHT have a bit of adjustment maybe not. I cant believe some of the spendy guitars ive seen with the strings off to one side or the other.Makes me cringe.
 
Any guitar with that type of headstock angle and string angle will need the tuning tweeked more than a straight shot Fender style . Another thing i personally think the Mahogany wood is more ceptable to fluxuation than Alder or Maple or Ash. It is what it is folks.Im always tuggin and pullin on my JRs but i love them dearly, Hell my Fender shaped objects lay around for days and are still in tune. Awesome. I dont use locking tuners either. My Floyd equipped guitars are well Floyd double locked. You can send me all those Gibsons that wont stay in tune ill give them a proper burial.
 
eSGEe said:
Im confused -- whos fighting ---

will there be tickets---

Id like a cut of the vig.
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i like to fight fo real..been doing it since 1977

anyways..came here...the place seemed to have peeps proud of their gera & sported it....3 weeks ago..the Gibson thing pushed me away..i am nobody but sure do make a lot of music & can give honest reviews & clips on a whole lotta gear) could be valuabkle to some..cause i talk about the mix a lot & how things are done in a studio...also do hold very large events when we are healthy. So i set up PA's in the players advantage .. This place was fun..some of you guys are daily subjects with me & J and we enjoy this place...but the contual gibson thing is such a waste of time..there are so many guitars..ya got to take the time to find "the one"

27+ years now in studios & gigs...we never once bashed another gear item..yes we need to talk about what we will use

90% of the time its: this subject

tele/strat/LP/SG-semi/acoustic
marshall-fender -vox amp
P or J bass\Ampeg/fender bass amp
just basic things that go on most recordings/yes others get used but mostly this

showed my engineer on 2 gear sites of what we just did with a song we recorded on a post & he became fascinated as he went over the sites..he said no way would he ever get sucked into the vortex of non fact as the majority of the posts...when he could walk over & a/b every thing they were talking about..i get to do that also..and most stuff is just mostly user error...

J and I are trying to figure out what to do..the Gibson stuff turned my last song into a pissed off rant..it matters to me..i care about music.. am not loyal to anything but the song..but no way is Gibson as bad as the gear sites portray... on 50% or more of everything we hear on Rock.

My example to my workers...no need to ever down play AAA or other locksmiths...focus on our strenghts....am friends with every major locksmith in my area & we refer work back n forth...no race ..no need to constantly use negativety to reinforce someones personnel agenda...you can see it in the Gibson stuff, always leads to a personnel issue..not so much the guitar

you have 2 choices in life..say something positive or say nothing at all...tearing down one another & things is just such a waste of time

do we go to our kids..tear a sibling down ..like ..hey your brother is this or that & not love them all equal.. we try to teach positive affirmation...not fear & intimidation..if

positive angle was taken.. then world would change instantly... was hoping it would be so dif here..if we really wanted to get into the issues ...we can destroy a good site in about an hour just like all the others , ...but why..there is not many good places left for us to compare gear..in an open way..without always going down the same ol same ol...
 
Agreed and if your HONESTLY and OPENLY comparing gear-- there are going to be SOME negative comments--thats part of the deal.

I fail to see how pointing out something a member was unhappy with on a high end guitar---is a reason to fight---
its a discussion--- not an argument

sorry you see it that way--


Are we supposed to pretend nothing negative ever occurs?

Was I not supposed to say the Firebird I bought from China was unplayable? --- that is a big negative -- but since its NOT a Gibson and a fake well thats "O.K." ???
no one stepped up to FIGHT over the CHibson having an issue.......


Are you being intimidated?
threatened?
Is anyone attacking you in PM's or some way the other Admins and I need to know about?
 
eSGEe said:
Agreed and if your HONESTLY and OPENLY comparing gear-- there are going to be SOME negative comments--thats part of the deal.

I fail to see how pointing out something a member was unhappy with on a high end guitar---is a reason to fight---
its a discussion--- not an argument

sorry you see it that way--


Are we supposed to pretend nothing negative ever occurs?

Was I not supposed to say the Firebird I bought from China was unplayable? --- that is a big negative -- but since its NOT a Gibson and a fake well thats "O.K." ???
no one stepped up to FIGHT over the CHibson having an issue.......


Are you being intimidated?
threatened?
Is anyone attacking you in PM's or some way the other Admins and I need to know about?
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no but...it the post after post & then the personnel interjection that happened in it...someone had to come at me with their agenda...cool thing...of implying my overpriced Gibson should be traded for Godins...F that,,to me its not worth it anymore...
 
I just have to go on record here saying I don't think Gibsons quality has slipped any more than anyone elses.
But some of the pricing is just stupid high for production guitars.
Is the extra price worth it? Can't say.
I've had 70's Norlin area Gibsons, Les Paul Custom, and SG Pro.
Both did what guitars are supposed to do.
Did they have issues? Yes
Could they be fixed? Yes.
Later I've acquired a few more Gibbos along the way, 61 SG reissue, Les Paul Special doublecut, SGJ, SG Special, Firebird Zero.
All did what guitars are supposed to do.
Did some have issues? Yes.
Were some purely cosmetic? Yes.
Could they be fixed? Yes.

Now these guitars were all at different price points.
The over $1000 ones had far less issues than the sub $600 ones.
But most "issues" were minor. Flaws or marks on binding can usually be removed by scraping.
Nuts can be replaced, action can be dialed in to ones preference.

The bridge on the Firebird Zero was metric junk that just couldn't be made to work.
It tilted and even slammed down against the body was too high for acceptable action.
I fixed it by plugging the holes & mounting a proper TOM roller bridge & a Bigsby.
The guitar itself is a blast to play. It's not junk. It was an "economy" model.

A couple of the SG's had the cost cutting "satin" finish.
Some like it, I hated it, so I give em a gloss lacquer overspray.
They also lacked neck binding. Not a deal breaker for me.
The SGJ has a maple neck. Problem? Hell no, it's stronger than mahogany.
The guitars themselves have been great.

Gibson did do some "innovation" that didn't go over well for some...
The titanium zero fret thing, the robo tuners, etc...
But I wouldn't call it a slip in quality, just not what everybody wanted.

These are just my opinions, and you know what they say about opinions...
 
BFT Gibson said:
no but...it the post after post & then the personnel interjection that happened in it...someone had to come at me with their agenda...cool thing...of implying my overpriced Gibson should be traded for Godins...F that,,to me its not worth it anymore...
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I see...

well certainly Godins arent cheap-- heck most your Gibsons cost less than many new Godins.....why I myself almost traded an SG (real value about 500.00)for a Godin 5th Avenue Night Club (that sell for around 1500.00 new) -- I almost HAD IT- but the guy backed out --- that there is a good trade ;)

--- I guess my point is-- no one should be threatening you on here and if they are please let us know.
 
ANd really not BEATINBG a dead horse here-- well maybe I am -- but ...........

my 62 EBO-- has HAD THE HEADSTOCK BROKEN OFF -- its beat to poop -- I mean REALLY beat to poop -- the FRETs were ripped out in the 70's--
its got a HACKED in "P" bass pickup--
and a HUGE high mass bridge that the person SCREWED down so hard and far it started to POP OUT THE BACK!!!! --- but---

it plays and sounds AMAZING-- -- and yet through ALL THAT ABUSE---years as a GIGGING bass-- there is no finish cracking at the NUT -- or the neck joint -- like that guy was showing on his NEW pristine ...kept in cases guitars-------wonder why that is????

NEw quality control NOT up to snuff?

OLD glue WORKED better?

I mean --- Im pointing this out to say --- IF THE NEW STUFF SUCKS they (Gibson or ANY Mfct.) need to be CALLED OUT on it-- or they will continue to sell crap work for HIGH DOLLAR...

pics --- of beat to poop-- yet no finish cracking in that neck join........

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BFT Gibson said:
i like to fight fo real..been doing it since 1977

anyways..came here...the place seemed to have peeps proud of their gera & sported it....3 weeks ago..the Gibson thing pushed me away..i am nobody but sure do make a lot of music & can give honest reviews & clips on a whole lotta gear) could be valuabkle to some..cause i talk about the mix a lot & how things are done in a studio...also do hold very large events when we are healthy. So i set up PA's in the players advantage .. This place was fun..some of you guys are daily subjects with me & J and we enjoy this place...but the contual gibson thing is such a waste of time..there are so many guitars..ya got to take the time to find "the one"

27+ years now in studios & gigs...we never once bashed another gear item..yes we need to talk about what we will use

90% of the time its: this subject

tele/strat/LP/SG-semi/acoustic
marshall-fender -vox amp
P or J bass\Ampeg/fender bass amp
just basic things that go on most recordings/yes others get used but mostly this

showed my engineer on 2 gear sites of what we just did with a song we recorded on a post & he became fascinated as he went over the sites..he said no way would he ever get sucked into the vortex of non fact as the majority of the posts...when he could walk over & a/b every thing they were talking about..i get to do that also..and most stuff is just mostly user error...

J and I are trying to figure out what to do..the Gibson stuff turned my last song into a pissed off rant..it matters to me..i care about music.. am not loyal to anything but the song..but no way is Gibson as bad as the gear sites portray... on 50% or more of everything we hear on Rock.

My example to my workers...no need to ever down play AAA or other locksmiths...focus on our strenghts....am friends with every major locksmith in my area & we refer work back n forth...no race ..no need to constantly use negativety to reinforce someones personnel agenda...you can see it in the Gibson stuff, always leads to a personnel issue..not so much the guitar

you have 2 choices in life..say something positive or say nothing at all...tearing down one another & things is just such a waste of time

do we go to our kids..tear a sibling down ..like ..hey your brother is this or that & not love them all equal.. we try to teach positive affirmation...not fear & intimidation..if

positive angle was taken.. then world would change instantly... was hoping it would be so dif here..if we really wanted to get into the issues ...we can destroy a good site in about an hour just like all the others , ...but why..there is not many good places left for us to compare gear..in an open way..without always going down the same ol same ol...
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Please take a look at post #33 and see why I started the thread. I don't just start threads to bash a guitar company.

I was looking for a new guitar and I was disappointed in the many Gibson's I was finding with problems. The one
that was posted was just one on many. I had hoped things were getting better...
 
Sp8ctre said:
Do you see any? Just curious...
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As stated above yes. Does it bother me? No. And it wouldn't even give me a second thought about buying the guitar.

I think you can find a flaw in any guitar if you really want too. Most things hand made are like this. Look at a super cool custom hot rod that you think the finish is fabulous and I guarantee you the guy that painted it will pick it apart. Just the nature of the beast.
 
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