Think Gibson USA QC Has Improved...

That's a demo guitar from the Sweetwater showroom. The damage was likely done by people pawing it there, not some nefarious plot by Gibson to plant inferior products throughout the World. You can find the same kind of "flaws" in demo products they offer from every maker.
 
Im confused I thought it went OUT as a new sale-- then was RETURNED -- and put back up (for not much discount TBTH) for sale online ---

would the issue in the inlay have been due to player wear???


I mean -- Id never spend 3 grand on a a guitar-- so -- its not like I have to worry about nefariousness by Gibson or Sweetwater--or demos---
I buy "pre beat" up crap for cheap on purpose ----cause its gonna get BEAT UP here ;)
 
eSGEe said:
Im confused I thought it went OUT as a new sale-- then was RETURNED -- and put back up (for not much discount TBTH) for sale online ---

would the issue in the inlay have been due to player wear???


I mean -- Id never spend 3 grand on a a guitar-- so -- its not like I have to worry about nefariousness by Gibson or Sweetwater--or demos---
I buy "pre beat" up crap for cheap on purpose ----cause its gonna get BEAT UP here ;)
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It's listed as a demo, which means it was in their showroom. Judging from the crap I have seen in Guitar Center and Sam Ash I wouldn't put any type of damage past the nimrods picking it up and hacking away on it in the showroom.

When the resell returned items they say so. Sweetwater is very transparent about that stuff. I love dealing with them, and when I got a Les Paul from them they even set it up to my liking before shipping it.
 
gball said:
It's listed as a demo, which means it was in their showroom. Judging from the crap I have seen in Guitar Center and Sam Ash I wouldn't put any type of damage past the nimrods picking it up and hacking away on it in the showroom.

When the resell returned items they say so. Sweetwater is very transparent about that stuff. I love dealing with them, and when I got a Les Paul from them they even set it up to my liking before shipping it.
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Not always so. They list pretty much everything on sale as a Demo. Besides those are not play flaws. Those are manufacturing finish flaws.

Look at the black dye in the cream binding. Look at the poor scrape job on the fretboard. Look at the hole in the MOP inlay. None of that is play wear.

I know you love Gibson and you'll fight the good fight for them, but they still have some work to do.

I love Gibson guitars too, but when I'm spending the premium they are asking they need to be better than that...
 
find it interesting..have never had a bad Gibson...every guitar soon as i get it.. set it up anyways...always do neck relief & intonation..very rarely do they even go out of tune...

i want nothing from a guitar maker but to have it ready for me to personalize at the said factory specs.,,i dont even care about the fretboards or anything..taking the guitar apart..dressing frets from the door..my set ups blow away anything that ever came to me..collector..pro shop..i take many months doing neck relief...and once its on & the the pickups are matched...insanely great guitars..Gibson sets up the easiest of any,,,simple truss rod to adjust....simple pickups to adjust...

guitars move,,its wood...weather changes...the arguement can go on, but reality is every other manufacture has just as much crap getting thru ..just gibson gets picked on..think i will buy another Gibson tonite to feel better bout it all...lol & then another amp to balance the ratio..
 
BFT Gibson said:
find it interesting..have never had a bad Gibson...every guitar soon as i get it.. set it up anyways...always do neck relief & intonation..very rarely do they even go out of tune...

i want nothing from a guitar maker but to have it ready for me to personalize at the said factory specs.,,i dont even care about the fretboards or anything..taking the guitar apart..dressing frets from the door..my set ups blow away anything that ever came to me..collector..pro shop..i take many months doing neck relief...and once its on & the the pickups are matched...insanely great guitars..Gibson sets up the easiest of any,,,simple truss rod to adjust....simple pickups to adjust...

guitars move,,its wood...weather changes...the arguement can go on, but reality is every other manufacture has just as much crap getting thru ..just gibson gets picked on..think i will buy another Gibson tonite to feel better bout it all...lol & then another amp to balance the ratio..
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I just think for all the hype they put out there and the ridiculous rising prices the guitars should be QC'd better. Hell I was looking at them to buy one myself. I can tell you I've bought
more brand new Gibson's than anything else (14 in the last 6 years). I've had some great ones, but too often I've bought something that required more work than it should for the price point...

I want one that has been done right when I plop down more than two weeks pay...

I'm not picking on Gibson. I've never bought an expensive guitar from another major manufacturer that has had issues that many of my Gibson's have had.
 
Sp8ctre said:
I just think for all the hype they put out there and the ridiculous rising prices the guitars should be QC'd better. Hell I was looking at them to buy one myself. I can tell you I've bought
more brand new Gibson's than anything else (14 in the last 6 years). I've had some great ones, but too often I've bought something that required more work than it should for the price point...

I want one that has been done right when I plop down more than two weeks pay...

I'm not picking on Gibson. I've never bought an expensive guitar from another major manufacturer that has had issues that many of my Gibson's have had.
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It actually led me to Gibson. Back a few years ago..all the bashing of the CEO led me to a look at it all & i ended up with quite a few..was trying to find one ..a bad one to see if it was true...my collector friends..my band buddies..we have never seen one live... did 1 at GC tho.. an SG..it was hammered .. it did have sharp fret ends..that i never saw before on hundreds i have purposefully picked up. Fully understand your position & absolutely respect it. Due dilligence is important plunking down the money. I would expect to be bashed if my company offered something not of value for the fee charged.

2018 Firebird & 19 LPJ i ordered online blind..they are flawless. Minor set ups. But nice bodies ..fit & finish & sound wonderful.

Maybe i have been lucky actually !!
 
BFT Gibson said:
It actually led me to Gibson. Back a few years ago..all the bashing of the CEO led me to a look at it all & i ended up with quite a few..was trying to find one ..a bad one to see if it was true...my collector friends..my band buddies..we have never seen one live... did 1 at GC tho.. an SG..it was hammered .. it did have sharp fret ends..that i never saw before on hundreds i have purposefully picked up. Fully understand your position & absolutely respect it. Due dilligence is important plunking down the money. I would expect to be bashed if my company offered something not of value for the fee charged.

2018 Firebird & 19 LPJ i ordered online blind..they are flawless. Minor set ups. But nice bodies ..fit & finish & sound wonderful.

Maybe i have been lucky actually !!
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I have ended up with some great ones myself, but foolishly sold them or traded them off for the next new thing. But I have also got some
with real issues that should have been caught before they left the factory. If you are going to shout from the rooftops about how great
your product is and charge a premium based on your quality you better make sure you don't let the ones with issues out the door...
 
occasionally............they get one right (2018)
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I dont count the OLD stuff-- I cant say NORLIN DID BETTER (yes I can) -- I have 1960's-1970--and 80's era Gibsons that are AMAZING -- all original -- zero issues---
(than I have some that have been hacked and broke and fixed and frankensteined---and some "in between"
The SGJ is AWESOME -- but HACKMASTER had his junk on it-- and I am SURE its been massaged beyond "stock" in MANY ways--
Love my Gibbos (but I to have owned "stinkers" ) and I get BETTER RESULTS (as pictured above) USED than I do buying NEW--

BUT --- I hear what Chris is saying and I have said it too---

IF YOU CHARGE TOP DOLLAR -- and POSITION YOURSELF AS THE "PREMIER" -- HISTORIC TOP OF THE HEAP BEST EVER AUTHENTIC USA MADE GUITAR MAKER --- then you damn well better back it up with
1. real good gutiars (not just REAL HIGH PRICES)
2. BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE than the REST---(it aint no where NEAR that)
or --- people start calling BULL:poo: -- and well--- a LOT of people are calling BULL:poo: ---

on the other hand if you just STFU and go on about ...making good guitars at decent prices --- people KNOW -- and BUY THEM -- without all the chest beating dick waving lawsuit crap----basically

YES NORM--- "LIKE GODIN" --
 
BFT Gibson said:
find it interesting..have never had a bad Gibson...every guitar soon as i get it.. set it up anyways...always do neck relief & intonation..very rarely do they even go out of tune...

i want nothing from a guitar maker but to have it ready for me to personalize at the said factory specs.,,i dont even care about the fretboards or anything..taking the guitar apart..dressing frets from the door..my set ups blow away anything that ever came to me..collector..pro shop..i take many months doing neck relief...and once its on & the the pickups are matched...insanely great guitars..Gibson sets up the easiest of any,,,simple truss rod to adjust....simple pickups to adjust...

guitars move,,its wood...weather changes...the arguement can go on, but reality is every other manufacture has just as much crap getting thru ..just gibson gets picked on..think i will buy another Gibson tonite to feel better bout it all...lol & then another amp to balance the ratio..
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Sorry BFT but I can tell you Godin does not have any crap coming through, I have never witnessed a Godin guitar yet from many dealers or individuals who have them, that rave how good the quality is. No need to do frets, scratches , or do a setup on a new Godin guitars. They come top notch right from the plant ready to play. Gibson Quality control just sucks. If people want to buy defective Gibsons that cost $2,000 to 3,000 dollars and they expect it to come with defects then Wow is all I can say, to me the darn thing should come to the buyer PERFECT shouldn't have to do anything to those guitars. All I can say to Gibson buyers, if you are happy with buying sub standard goods, than that person deserves what they get in my opinion. I will not as a consumer buy goods from Godin or any other Manufacturer that has continuous flaws in their workmanship. When people finely wake up and smell the coffee they will stop supporting Gibson or any other manufacturer who does this, then that will send the message to those bozos that run those company's to smarten up and get there act together, As long as Gibson buyers keep defending their company they will do nothing to solve the problems. So as far as I am concerned I have some high quality Godin's to sell you, so I can go back and buy some more.
 
honestly that last Godin comment "some high quality Godins to sell me" turned me off ..a buyer with no budget..turned way off from ever buying a Godin

forced sarcasm on someone who knows exactly what to do with a Gibson...
 
gball said:
It's listed as a demo, which means it was in their showroom. Judging from the crap I have seen in Guitar Center and Sam Ash I wouldn't put any type of damage past the nimrods picking it up and hacking away on it in the showroom.

When the resell returned items they say so. Sweetwater is very transparent about that stuff. I love dealing with them, and when I got a Les Paul from them they even set it up to my liking before shipping it.
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eSGEe said:
Im confused I thought it went OUT as a new sale-- then was RETURNED -- and put back up (for not much discount TBTH) for sale online ---

would the issue in the inlay have been due to player wear???


I mean -- Id never spend 3 grand on a a guitar-- so -- its not like I have to worry about nefariousness by Gibson or Sweetwater--or demos---
I buy "pre beat" up crap for cheap on purpose ----cause its gonna get BEAT UP here ;)
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At Sweetwater, "Demo" usually means one of the following:
  • It spent some time on display in our store.
  • It was used in a sales training presentation.
  • It was returned by another customer who tried it out for a few days.
 
BFT Gibson said:
honestly that last Godin comment "some high quality Godins to sell me" turned me off ..a buyer with no budget..turned way off from ever buying a Godin

forced sarcasm on someone who knows exactly what to do with a Gibson...
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Sorry you feel that way BFT, When I said the comment about selling some high quality Godins, was not intended for you to buy, it was a generalization, It was intended to all Gibson purchasers who continue to praise the company even though they get these guitars with flaws. In reality when you buy any guitar between $2, 000 - $3,000 dollars they should be perfect no flaws whatsoever. If I offended you I apologise, that was not my intention. What I meant was you can purchase a Godin for much less money without the defects that Gibson is continuing to have . There are many who are happy with Gibson that's great. I would not be happy with any company and like I said Godin included if they were putting out guitars on a regular basis with quality control issues. I would no longer support them.
 
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