The Pickup Magnet Discussion Thread:

Pretty much the same here. I don't know nuttin about magnets but I know unpotted pickups sound better (to me) and my all time favorite pickup, the T-Top, has short A-5's
My favorite set are the ones in my 1977 Stratocaster, they're the original pickups. They are so microphonic that if I turn up the gain a bit, I can speak (loudly) through the pickups and hear my voice through the amp.
 
Rumor has it that potting a pickup deadens it a little. I have 3 sets of Seth Lovers that are unpotted and seem to have a little more "presence" than my potted pickups. I have 57 classic/classic +, BB2 and BB3, and the BB61s. I've pulled the lids off all of them at one time or another and they are all full of paraffin.
 
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Here's the baseplate and coils. Yes, I have a dead slug side coil. I unwound it by hand this morning while watching TV. The bobbins stink, so they must be butyrate. Wire was 42 awg plain enamel. Yes, it was purple. And boy is that wire delicate!
 
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There you go. Very evenly wrapped all the way through. Obviously not hand wound. Tension was very even as well. I'm going to rebuild this one as close to stock as I can, but for my next trick I want to build a neck pickup with double coat poly wire scatter wound with an A3 magnet. I want to try for a light, treble biased neck humbucker.
 
I'm waiting on some custom double thick mags. Have had some other doubles for a while, but the ones in this batch are a little more exotic. I mentioned earlier that one is a double UA5. Another is a double A3 - the guy who makes them says that was a winner when he tried it in a light wind. The other three are hybrids, UA5 & A2, UA5 & A5, and UA5 & A6.

Very eager to try the UA5/A6. A6 is higher output than A5, increased bass & low mids but without the sometimes-metallic highs of A8. Some who tried A6 said they thought it also deadened some of the harmonic content. I wanted to try it in a bright PAF but those reviews held me back. I'm thinking UA5 might even out the A6 voicing nicely. Offset the big low mids with a little high-mid emphasis and help bring back some sparkle up top.

One additional bonus, the mag man said that UA5/A6 had a lot of "bounce" when he tried one. I prefer a lively fingertouch myself, it's one aspect - in both guitar necks and pickup character -that I pay extra attention to, while many don't seem to care much about it. I believe this is what's kept me from liking most ceramic pickups: not the tone so much as the hard feel.

I've got two Duncan bridge hums I think might benefit especially from double thick mags.

One is a Pearly Gates Plus; these were only made for a couple of years as OEM pickups for Fender. The regular Pearly bridge is quite bright even with its stock A2. The Pearly Plus has a few more turns but uses an A5. The one in my Stagemaster is aggressive & borders on icepicky with a 500K volume pot; can't run it at volume without the tone rolled off a bit. I'm thinking a double UA5 and a 250K volume could make my spare one both beefier and sweeter sounding, hopefully a little more elastic too.

The other is a Perpetual Burn. Stock voicing is actually lovely, big and balanced, smooth and quite modern. But it feels a bit stiff and the tight focus is fairly unforgiving. (I'm not as precise a player as I used to be.) Am thinking UA5/A5 might loosen up the feel some, and a little more midrange wouldn't hurt, just lend a slightly more vintage personality. Output is already medium yet I think with a little extra juice it'd still come in well short of a JB, which the upper limit of my rig's comfort zone.

Am also eager to try the double A3. I love the vintage character of A3 but its low output and relatively light bass response has led me to stick with neck position so far. A3 tonality plus a little extra body and volume sounds like a pretty good match for a bridge pickup. And a glowing recommendation from somebody who's actually tried one makes it that much more attractive.
 
I'll go with shepherds pie.

@eclecticsynergy have you experimented with different alloys for the slugs, pole screws and keeper bars? Rumor has it that the amount of carbon in the alloy can have a small effect on brightness.
Experts agree that higher carbon steel in the various components does yield brighter tone and some feel it may give more immediate attack too. Low carbon seems widely accepted as being more vintage in character.

Metallurgy is a fascinating subject. It's cool that we have many more options available today. In the 50s I think they just used what was available and inexpensive. It makes sense that they wouldn't have chosen harder, more costly steel for components where strength was not relevant, and I doubt Seth Lover did tests on various grades when he developed the original design that led to the fabled Gibson PAFs. Now we know the grade of steel affects tone. If they'd known in the 50s they might've gone with higher carbon since the goal was to replicate the tone of P90s, only without hum.

Then again, maybe economy would've won out over sound. Those who know say that Gibson bought whatever magnets were cheapest, and that that accounts for the use of four different magnets during the PAF/Pat# period - five if we're counting short A5s.

Also, specs for the various alnico magnet grades were not scientifically specific. Even with today's automatedproduction they vary from one foundry to another, enough to affect the sound of a pickup. Throbak claims to have had vintage A4s lab analyzed, then commissioned a batch of mags in that precise formulation. That's some serious dedication to vintage correctness.

But not everything can be made to match exactly. It's said the enamel insulation on vintage winding wire used some hazardous chemicals which today are proscribed by industrial safety laws. A few years back Wizz got hold of a couple spools of NOS vintage wire and made afew runs of pickups using that.

Then there's the PRS story of tracking down one particular vintage extruder responsible for the wire in certain outstandingly great vintage pickups. They repaired it, added CNC capability, and use the wire from it (with modern enamel coating) in a few models. I have some 57/08 and 59/09 humbuckers and there really does seem to be a certain especially three-dimensional quality to their sound. Don't know if it's really the magic wire, but IME it does seem to be unique to these pickups.

Well, I've gone off the rails yet again. That often happens to me when I get started on a favorite topic.

Getting back to the subject at hand, I haven't built any pickups from scratch and my only firsthand experience (so far) has been with straight-up magnet swaps. Might experiment swapping pole screws at some point, maybe keeper bars too. That seems simple enough.

Slug swaps aren't totally out of the question either. Still, the difference is said to be pretty subtle. From what I've read, switching to hex screws (or even shortening the existing filisters) can yield more change with less effort.

Have also heard about two other component swaps I'd like to try at some point: changing baseplates between brass and nickel silver, and replacing slugs with alnico rods.

There was a post on the PRS forum awhile back from a guy who put rod mags into the B&G humbuckers of his PRS SE. The goal was to boost output, improve definition, and perhaps get closer to the great split tone of the old T&B pickups. I'd like to try that mod on a high quality humbucker someday.

And one of these days I'd like to try mitigating the "cocked-wah" sound of a DiMarzio humbucker by replacing the brass baseplate. Some feel this is a far bigger factor in the trademark DiMarzio vowel tone than has been widely recognized.

The sheer amount of specific information available on the Web still astonishes me. So much of what used to be esoteric knowledge reserved only to a few can be had with just a few keystrokes...

The downside - which applies to internet info on various aspects of just about any skill - is the temptation to lose sight of the difference between information and understanding, mistaking knowledge for expertise.

Some things you only really learn by doing.
 
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