The Party is OVER...

DonP said:
We have several taxes here in the UK too, but we never see them. All prices in shops are the amount of cash you have to hand over. And there are no taxes based on movement of goods around the UK. In fact, for the next few weeks there are no taxes associated with moving goods around Europe.
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THIS is the smart way to do it and it's the way it's done most everywhere I've been outside the US! If I don't know it's being added on it doesn't bother me so much.
It's when you've been mentally adding up your purchases and when you checkout the bill is much higher. Then you take a look at the receipt and $$$$ TAX!
 
Another thing I love is the way they tax the same item over and over again. I buy a new car and I pay sales tax. I covered the tax on the entire price of the car
Then I sell the car and the new buyer pays sales tax again...tax I already paid. And when that buyer sells the car it's taxed again...same goes for any items sold
from a store front shop...
 
Sp8ctre said:
...all out of state internet purchases are now being TAXED in California. My order from Sweetwater on Monday got taxed...no reason to go there first any longer. Maybe this will help brick and mortar stores or maybe it's already too late? I know I'll be scrutinizing my big ticket items from now on!
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This is due to “South Dakota vs. Wayfair”. In this case, the Supreme Court reversed itself.

Essentially, the physical presence requirement no longer exists, meaning a seller no longer has to be physically present in the same state as a buyer for the buyer’s state to assess sales taxes.

The ones most likely to feel the pain will be smaller online outlets as their administrative loads will increase, possibly putting them out of business. Larger online outlets (Amazon, Walmart, etc.) are in a better position to deal with it.
 
smitty_p said:
This is due to “South Dakota vs. Wayfair”. In this case, the Supreme Court reversed itself.

Essentially, the physical presence requirement no longer exists, meaning a seller no longer has to be physically present in the same state as a buyer for the buyer’s state to assess sales taxes.

The ones most likely to feel the pain will be smaller online outlets as their administrative loads will increase, possibly putting them out of business. Larger online outlets (Amazon, Walmart, etc.) are in a better position to deal with it.
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This raises more questions. If this is truly a sales tax, not a purchase tax, then the state where the seller resides must be entitled to collect. Does this mean that the goods are taxed twice - once in the selling state, and again in the purchasing state?
 
DonP said:
This raises more questions. If this is truly a sales tax, not a purchase tax, then the state where the seller resides must be entitled to collect. Does this mean that the goods are taxed twice - once in the selling state, and again in the purchasing state?
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No. The tax is paid to the state where the buyer resides. So, it does seem to be more of a purchase tax, doesn’t it?

What will happen is that online sellers will need to collect the sales tax that applies in the state where the buyer resides and send it to that state. There is some talk of simplifying the process and supposedly some states are providing free software to make it easier, but it is bound to be a burden for smaller online outlets.
 
I'm astounded. This must be almost as expensive to administer and collect as the revenue it raises. Private individuals serving as tax collection points sounds like a non-starter. It is bad enough for shops.
 
DonP said:
I'm astounded. This must be almost as expensive to administer and collect as the revenue it raises. Private individuals serving as tax collection points sounds like a non-starter. It is bad enough for shops.
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From what I’ve read, it is only a requirement once an online merchant reaches 200 sales, or $100,000.00 to a particular state. This is supposed to make it easier on smaller vendors. But, you’re right. It is likely to make life rather hard on some.
 
smitty_p said:
From what I’ve read, it is only a requirement once an online merchant reaches 200 sales, or $100,000.00 to a particular state. This is supposed to make it easier on smaller vendors. But, you’re right. It is likely to make life rather hard on some.
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OK, my instant reaction to that is that the merchant changes his trading name as he approaches the 200 mark.
 
This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but I support it (paying the sales tax). I have always tried to buy gear (and anything else I need) from actual brick and mortar stores to support the local economy. I order online only when I have exhausted attempts to locate something local or it's an item that is only available through on online vendor. I've ordered something from Amazon exactly three times in my life and hope to never do it again. Seems to me we all love the idea of local shops but most of us don't actually support them, whether it be for sales tax reasons or just using them as a place to try things only to buy online for less. We've all seen too many great music shops go belly up, maybe this will staunch the bleeding a little bit. I actually enjoy walking into a store, choosing and item and then walking out with it more than clicking a button on a website and waiting for a while until a truck drops it off.
 
I moved out of California 1980 Then to Seattle 1983 to Juneau Alaska we went up to my mining claims the other day just stunning 360 degree mountains
we hiked in seven miles hard core the snow stopped us but it was just us back to nature. I just got hammered on import tax it sucks.
 
gball said:
This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but I support it (paying the sales tax). I have always tried to buy gear (and anything else I need) from actual brick and mortar stores to support the local economy. I order online only when I have exhausted attempts to locate something local or it's an item that is only available through on online vendor. I've ordered something from Amazon exactly three times in my life and hope to never do it again. Seems to me we all love the idea of local shops but most of us don't actually support them, whether it be for sales tax reasons or just using them as a place to try things only to buy online for less. We've all seen too many great music shops go belly up, maybe this will staunch the bleeding a little bit. I actually enjoy walking into a store, choosing and item and then walking out with it more than clicking a button on a website and waiting for a while until a truck drops it off.
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I'm just the opposite. I love surfing the net and researching items and then finding the best price. The anticipation of the truck showing up with my stuff is fun for me.
Going out to shop in public is no longer fun for me. People are obnoxious and rude on the drive there. Then they are rude in the store. Loud to the point of screaming.
Banging into me with their carts. Walking with their face in a cell phone expecting me to avoid them. The sales people in many stores are not much better. All most every
store is a corporate behemoth and not a "Mom and Pop" place like I shopped in as a kid...

I'll stay home and keep my stress level down...
 
DonP said:
I'm astounded. This must be almost as expensive to administer and collect as the revenue it raises. Private individuals serving as tax collection points sounds like a non-starter. It is bad enough for shops.
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I thought there were about 3000, but I found this:

"There are now 9,998 different sales tax jurisdictions in the United States, up more than 300 when Vertex last reported the figure in 2011. "

So they will now have to have a database but I'm not even sure if by zip code works in this case . :BH:
 
gball said:
This is probably not a popular viewpoint, but I support it (paying the sales tax). I have always tried to buy gear (and anything else I need) from actual brick and mortar stores to support the local economy. I order online only when I have exhausted attempts to locate something local or it's an item that is only available through on online vendor. I've ordered something from Amazon exactly three times in my life and hope to never do it again. Seems to me we all love the idea of local shops but most of us don't actually support them, whether it be for sales tax reasons or just using them as a place to try things only to buy online for less. We've all seen too many great music shops go belly up, maybe this will staunch the bleeding a little bit. I actually enjoy walking into a store, choosing and item and then walking out with it more than clicking a button on a website and waiting for a while until a truck drops it off.
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Agreed. I don't begrudge taxes. Give into Caesar what is due Caesar....I earned a good salary for 26 years from taxes.
 
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