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Clockworkmike said:
I know music, like a lot of things, runs in cycles. The good news is that most all music cycles eventually come back to distorted classic rock n roll/hard rock and metal too for that matter. There are periods and eras where the well runs dry and we sadly enter dark times where trendy flavor of the month bands run the show for a little while. But eventually it all wears thin and we get renaissance periods in actual rock. There's always the trusty well know rock bands who keep trucking along but the attention outside of the loyal fans dries up sometimes.

Judging the music scene over the past decade, we are due for another cycle any time now, so bands like this maybe the ones to who bring it around. If so? Thank god for that lol
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See, that's where I differ. I don't regard a trend away from rock as a "dark" time. It's just a time.

In essence, I don't regard rock as the default or standard for popular music and what's cool. It's just another thing. It goes through waxing and waning episodes, like everything else.

Things change and what's old often becomes new again, and that's cool too.
 
smitty_p said:
See, that's where I differ. I don't regard a trend away from rock as a "dark" time. It's just a time.

In essence, I don't regard rock as the default or standard for popular music and what's cool. It's just another thing. It goes through waxing and waning episodes, like everything else.

Things change and what's old often becomes new again, and that's cool too.
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Put all but metal and hard rock to the sword.
 
smitty_p said:
See, that's where I differ. I don't regard a trend away from rock as a "dark" time. It's just a time.

In essence, I don't regard rock as the default or standard for popular music and what's cool. It's just another thing. It goes through waxing and waning episodes, like everything else.

Things change and what's old often becomes new again, and that's cool too.
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Agreed. I listen to an awful lot of music that is not rock/metal and appreciate it just as much. Good music is good music, no matter where it comes from, and you know it the second you hear it.
 
smitty_p said:
See, that's where I differ. I don't regard a trend away from rock as a "dark" time. It's just a time.

In essence, I don't regard rock as the default or standard for popular music and what's cool. It's just another thing. It goes through waxing and waning episodes, like everything else.

Things change and what's old often becomes new again, and that's cool too.
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gball said:
Agreed. I listen to an awful lot of music that is not rock/metal and appreciate it just as much. Good music is good music, no matter where it comes from, and you know it the second you hear it.
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While I admittedly like a lot music outside of rock and some of it would DEFINITELY surprise some of you ; can you honestly say every passing trend was great or are there periods you can admit we could have all done without entirely if not at least the overwhelming majority?

Because I can. Despite the enormous popularity of Disco for example: can any of you really say the vast majority of it was wonderful and has stood the test of time? Can you say you really enjoy hearing the likes of" YMCA" at some wedding reception or party ever again?

Perhaps you might've enjoyed some of the late 90s alt-rock ( I personally have a hard time labeling it "rock" but ok, I'll play). Do you look fondly upon Bare Naked Ladies as timeless? Maybe you enjoyed the synthpop of the 80s: can you say Flock of Seagulls or Aha! was pivotal to music itself?

Now here's a fun experiment to seriously try if you got just a couple minutes: grab a radio, turn it on and scan thru your channels. Talk radio and sports program aside, find the nearest music station and see how long it will take you before you pan thru it to something familiar. Betcha $10 right now, you will land on a rock station within 5mins and leave it.


THAT is why Rock stands the test of time
 
smitty_p said:
See, that's where I differ. I don't regard a trend away from rock as a "dark" time. It's just a time.

In essence, I don't regard rock as the default or standard for popular music and what's cool. It's just another thing. It goes through waxing and waning episodes, like everything else.

Things change and what's old often becomes new again, and that's cool too.
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Put all but metal and hard rock to the sword.
smitty_p said:
Well, now…there’s a thoroughly demoralizing and depressing thought.
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Its anarchic and exciting, in a viking sort of way.

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Demoralizing and Depressing???

Precisely how I would describe a lot of modern music.
 
Clockworkmike said:
While I admittedly like a lot music outside of rock and some of it would DEFINITELY surprise some of you ; can you honestly say every passing trend was great or are there periods you can admit we could have all done without entirely if not at least the overwhelming majority?

Because I can. Despite the enormous popularity of Disco for example: can any of you really say the vast majority of it was wonderful and has stood the test of time? Can you say you really enjoy hearing the likes of" YMCA" at some wedding reception or party ever again?

Perhaps you might've enjoyed some of the late 90s alt-rock ( I personally have a hard time labeling it "rock" but ok, I'll play). Do you look fondly upon Bare Naked Ladies as timeless? Maybe you enjoyed the synthpop of the 80s: can you say Flock of Seagulls or Aha! was pivotal to music itself?

Now here's a fun experiment to seriously try if you got just a couple minutes: grab a radio, turn it on and scan thru your channels. Talk radio and sports program aside, find the nearest music station and see how long it will take you before you pan thru it to something familiar. Betcha $10 right now, you will land on a rock station within 5mins and leave it.


THAT is why Rock stands the test of time
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I don't think anyone is arguing that every musical trend or individual act will stand the test of time. But...disco is still very popular with a lot of people and Flock of Seagulls were definitely an influential band for a certain segment of Indie/Alternative music.

The only point is, there are great acts in every genre of music and conversely there are plenty of terrible rock and metal bands.
 
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Naturally, its a lot of fun to give @smitty_p some grief, because of the vastness of his musical tastes, but i do tend to lean towards more of a traditional, hard rock sound.

As I've long maintained, if a song doesn't grab me in 10-15 seconds, i will never listen to it ever again, willingly or voluntarily speaking.

My car is loaded with Ozzy, AC/DC, Judas Priest and Dokken. Its an escape from boring, modern mainstream music.

I do enjoy Volbeat, lots of stuff by BLS, 5FDP, AV7X, Blackberry Smoke, Dirty Honey, Rival Sons, Airborne, a few numbers by STP. There are some artists that i like for only one song.

I did like "Goin To Hell" by "The Pretty Trckless," one number by 'Fountains of Wayne,' "Cool Kids" by 'Echosmith,' i liked "Bitch" by 'Merideth Brooks,' "Carnival" by 'Natalie Merchant,' "If It Makes You Happy" by 'Cheryl Crow,' "Torn" by 'Natalie Imbruglia,' "6th Avenue Heartache," "Diary of Jane" by 'Breaking Benjamin,' at least one tune by 'Good Charlotte,' a few more here and there, a kind of eclectic sampling of sorts i suppose.

However, i can't really find things by Blink-182, Green Day, Nirvana "musically engaging" long enough to complete an entire song.

Now, i was required to learn a few Blink and GD songs for the band, and of course i did so willingly, because i was getting paid to learn and perform them.

I know hundreds of country songs, from performing them, but im not all that fond of the genre.
 
gball said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that every musical trend or individual act will stand the test of time. But...disco is still very popular with a lot of people and Flock of Seagulls were definitely an influential band for a certain segment of Indie/Alternative music.

The only point is, there are great acts in every genre of music and conversely there are plenty of terrible rock and metal bands.
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I still like some Disco, Yea Baby!!! Great dance music!:love: Ahh and the sound of that Stat...

 
gball said:
Good music is good music, no matter where it comes from, and you know it the second you hear it.
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I can say that about certain country songs....

Like "Wherever You Go," by Clint Black, "Smokerings In The Dark" by Gary Allen, "In Color" by Blacktop Mojo, "Fast As You" by Dwight Yoakham and "Smokey Mountain Memories" by my Mom's friend, Mel Street...but i would have to say my musical tastes are very, very narrow.
 
Inspector #20 said:
Now,

Naturally, its a lot of fun to give @smitty_p some grief, because of the vastness of his musical tastes, but i do tend to lean towards more of a traditional, hard rock sound.

As I've long maintained, if a song doesn't grab me in 10-15 seconds, i will never listen to it ever again, willingly or voluntarily speaking.

My car is loaded with Ozzy, AC/DC, Judas Priest and Dokken. Its an escape from boring, modern mainstream music.

I do enjoy Volbeat, lots of stuff by BLS, 5FDP, AV7X, Blackberry Smoke, Dirty Honey, Rival Sons, Airborne, a few numbers by STP. There are some artists that i like for only one song.

I did like "Goin To Hell" by "The Pretty Trckless," one number by 'Fountains of Wayne,' "Cool Kids" by 'Echosmith,' i liked "Bitch" by 'Merideth Brooks,' "Carnival" by 'Natalie Merchant,' "If It Makes You Happy" by 'Cheryl Crow,' "Torn" by 'Natalie Imbruglia,' "6th Avenue Heartache," "Diary of Jane" by 'Breaking Benjamin,' at least one tune by 'Good Charlotte,' a few more here and there, a kind of eclectic sampling of sorts i suppose.

However, i can't really find things by Blink-182, Green Day, Nirvana "musically engaging" long enough to complete an entire song.

Now, i was required to learn a few Blink and GD songs for the band, and of course i did so willingly, because i was getting paid to learn and perform them.

I know hundreds of country songs, from performing them, but im not all that fond of the genre.
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Is there even such a thing as "mainsteam" music any more? Real question.

It all seems so fragmented, and there are so many disparate sources for music now that people use for streaming. Its not like when we were young and had just the radio and then later MTV. There are hundreds of ways to consume music now and its no longer controlled by the central scutinizers at the record companies.

I think there has never been a more exciting time for music. The muscians keep getting better and better and I hear something new that blows my mind every day.
 
Clockworkmike said:
Now here's a fun experiment to seriously try if you got just a couple minutes: grab a radio, turn it on and scan thru your channels. Talk radio and sports program aside, find the nearest music station and see how long it will take you before you pan thru it to something familiar. Betcha $10 right now, you will land on a rock station within 5mins and leave it.
THAT is why Rock stands the test of time
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Yep....
 
gball said:
Is there even such a thing as "mainsteam" music any more? Real question.

It all seems so fragmented, and there are so many disparate sources for music now that people use for streaming. Its not like when we were young and had just the radio and then later MTV. There are hundreds of ways to consume music now and its no longer controlled by the central scutinizers at the record companies.

I think there has never been a more exciting time for music. The muscians keep getting better and better and I hear something new that blows my mind every day.
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"Mainstream" meaning what i seem to hear most often.
 
gball said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that every musical trend or individual act will stand the test of time. But...disco is still very popular with a lot of people and Flock of Seagulls were definitely an influential band for a certain segment of Indie/Alternative music.

The only point is, there are great acts in every genre of music and conversely there are plenty of terrible rock and metal bands.
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I'll be the first to say that there were and still are some lame as hell acts in rock/metal. 90% of Nu Metal is absolutely embarrassing frankly, with a few acts stepping outside of trends and trying to make something worthwhile. There were a slew of cringe bands that crawled out of the majority of Hair/Glam Metal that defined one-hit wonders. And Soft Rock is a hard pill to swallow for me in general with a few exceptions.

Might come as a surprise, but I am actually quite fond of Motown and Soul, 70s Funk, Outlaw-era Country ( ONLY the outlaw era), Delta Blues and what's refered to as West Cost/Cool Jazz. So it's not just a one way ticket for me. But what they all have in common is an ability for the listener to sit and actually have their entire mood and emotion change.

You take songs such as "Take 5- Dave Brubeck", "Smokestack Lightning- Howlin Wolf" , "The Tracks of My Tears- Smokey Robinson and the Miracles", "Sunday Morning Coming Down-Johnny Cash and Kris Kristofferson" or "Mothership Connection/Star Child - Parliament" and not one of those songs are connected with each other in anyway shape or form due to stemming from vastly different genres; but they all elicit a great response in different ways to the listener. You remember those songs once you hear them one time in your life and it's hard not to harbor a deep respect for them.

Pan over to lots of other stuff I mentioned on the opposing side and you just look at it as forgettable at best, dreadful at worst. The rock and metal genres though, you can look at them with a far more positive opinion overall than you would overwhelmingly negative for nearly anyone who listens to it
 
Inspector #20 said:
I can say that about certain country songs....

Like "Wherever You Go," by Clint Black, "Smokerings In The Dark" by Gary Allen, "In Color" by Blacktop Mojo, "Fast As You" by Dwight Yoakham and "Smokey Mountain Memories" by my Mom's friend, Mel Street...but i would have to say my musical tastes are very, very narrow.
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I just learned Dwight Yoakhams ( Fast As You a few weeks ago, I like the song and my Wife loves when I play it!
 
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