Switched Back To Mufflers - Shocked:

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My 2006 Mustang GT 5-Speed is my daily driver. I log about 60 miles a day. The 4.6 litre 3-valve V8 is totally stock and I'm running 4.30 gears with MBRP muffler deletes.

I'm running a 91 octane race tune, custom written for combo. My average commute fuel economy is 20.5mpg with 23-25 highway when I'm not bumper-to-bumper traffic.

The throttle response is unreal and I've gotten good at getting the car rolling without losing traction.

Recently, we moved to a very nice neighborhood and I became self conscious about how loud my car was. So, last night, I swapped on a pair of Ford Racing 5230-GTA mufflers.

These are the same mufflers used on the Shelby's and at almost $800/pair retail, they are well made and embossed with Ford logo and part numbers.

They are considerably quieter but still sound nice. However, when I drove the car last night I was shocked - and not in a good way.

The car just felt sluggish. That self-accelerating pull right at 2,500 rpm isn't there and I noticed I'm pulling more RPM than I'm used to seeing. Since I drive this thing everyday, I notice all the little things.

So I did some research. MBRP said no tune is required when adding or removing mufflers. All the Mustang performance vendors all say that changing the mufflers on these late (2005-2009) Mustangs, with stock catalysts and H-pipe, will change nothing but the exhaust note.

I'm waiting for the word back from the tuner, but something has changed and its not just that the car is quieter.

Previously, I never get over 2,500 RPM when shifting. The exhaust resonance peaks at 2,500 and the car pulls very hard between 2,000-2500 RPM.

Last night, I noticed I was turning 3,000-3,500 and still wasn't getting the same pull I have been getting at 2,000-2,500.

Now, in the old days, "un-corking" our exhaust usually reduced our bottom end and improved midrange and top end, so this change has really puzzled me, but our mufflers were not under the rear bumper back then either, so its a totally different arrangement.

Doesn't make sense...but something changed.

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Tune Writer's Reply This Morning:

Cody Fremont (Bama Performance)

Jan 17, 9:46 AM EST

Robert,
Thank you for contacting us.
Changing mufflers does impact the performance of a vehicle a little bit.
You are correct, it is mostly sound, but switching to the more restrictive piping will lose you a few horses.
What I will suggest is return the tune to stock, unhook the battery for 15 mins, then retune it.
This does a hard reset on the ECU, and will begin the relearn process. This will speed up the car's relearn to the new parts, and help feel more like you expect.
If I have answered all of your questions, there is no need to reply.

Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Cody Fremont, Tuning Experience Specialist
1-888-226-9764
 
Ok...about 7 tanks of fuel into the new mufflers. After resetting adaptations, the power has really improved and its really quiet inside the car.

A few car guys I know have complained that it doesn't sound "tough" anymore, but honestly, it sounds way more cultured than with muffler deletes.

Interesting too is the fuel economy. I have picked up a solid 3mpg with the mufflers. I've also checked the math against what the car is telling me and the numbers jive.

I'm knocking down around 29-30mpg on long freeway runs where I can stay in 5th gear around 65-70mph.

I saw an all time best of 31.5 on a recent long freeway trip where my speed was always around 60mph.

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What's cool about this is when you consider how aggressive the tune is. The spark and injector maps are very generous. There's a ton of ignition advance at cruise with timing retarded under acceleration, with retard increasing every 1,000 RPM to a fixed point near red line.

The throttle is also programmed very touchy and WOT is achieved even before the pedal hits the carpet.

So, for a 4.6 Litre 3-Valve V8, with an aggressive tune and 4.30 gears, its not bad to be able to drive it daily and get 22-25 mpg on average!!!!
 
Surprisingly I found that very interesting :-)
Being old school (carbs and points) my eyes usually glaze over once people start talking like that.
 
Surprisingly I found that very interesting :)
Being old school (carbs and points) my eyes usually glaze over once people start talking like that.

I grew up on carburetors too, so I was a slow convert....but EFI is great on a daily driver...

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Surprisingly I found that very interesting :)
Being old school (carbs and points) my eyes usually glaze over once people start talking like that.

Am I the only one who actually enjoyed changing points?

I still have my dwell/tach, timing light, and the little bump switch for getting the rubbing block of the breaker point on the high lobe of the distributor cam.

I liked playing around with carburetors, too. I still have an old Carter AVS and maybe an old Holley down in the garage someplace.

Ah...the old days....
 
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed changing points?

I still have my dwell/tach, timing light, and the little bump switch for getting the rubbing block of the breaker point on the high lobe of the distributor cam.

I liked playing around with carburetors, too. I still have an old Carter AVS and maybe an old Holley down in the garage someplace.

Ah...the old days....

Yes! I didn't mind changing points back then....but I am way too OCD for carbs & points - I mess with things too much...
 
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed changing points?

I still have my dwell/tach, timing light, and the little bump switch for getting the rubbing block of the breaker point on the high lobe of the distributor cam.

I liked playing around with carburetors, too. I still have an old Carter AVS and maybe an old Holley down in the garage someplace.

Ah...the old days....

I get to tinker with carbs and points. I still have my 1969 Triumph (motorcycle).
 
A few car guys I know have complained that it doesn't sound "tough" anymore, but honestly, it sounds way more cultured than with muffler deletes.

Even when I was a teenager I never liked the sound of an unmuffled car. I do like the sound of a nice, throaty exhaust note, like I got with the turbo mufflers on my '71 Cutlass.
 
Am I the only one who actually enjoyed changing points?

I still have my dwell/tach, timing light, and the little bump switch for getting the rubbing block of the breaker point on the high lobe of the distributor cam.

I liked playing around with carburetors, too. I still have an old Carter AVS and maybe an old Holley down in the garage someplace.

Ah...the old days....

My 1968 Hemi GTX had two AFB's. My 1969 Charger 440 had a single AVS.

One of the best running carbs I ever had on my Charger was a Thermo-Quad!

Second best was a 650 mechanical secondary Holley spread bore.

I used to run a Street Dominator intake so I could switch carbs at will, but nothing beat the stock iron intake for throttle response.
 
My 1968 Hemi GTX had two AFB's. My 1969 Charger 440 had a single AVS.

One of the best running carbs I ever had on my Charger was a Thermo-Quad!

Second best was a 650 mechanical secondary Holley spread bore.

I used to run a Street Dominator intake so I could switch carbs at will, but nothing beat the stock iron intake for throttle response.
Those Carter Thermo-Quads were good carburetors, but I always preferred a Holley double pumper with center pivot float bowls... Until I got injected.
 
Those Carter Thermo-Quads were good carburetors, but I always preferred a Holley double pumper with center pivot float bowls... Until I got injected.

We always made more horsepower and torque with carburetors on the dyno - on American V8's anyways...

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Oddly enough, that looks like an oval port intake. My Dad's Corvette was a square port 427...

Good eye. In 69 the highest HP 427 you could get and still have AC was the L68 with 400 hp and oval port heads and a hydraulic cam. The 435 hp cars had the rectangular port heads and a solid lifter cam.
 
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