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LiveeviL2000
Ambassador of Pentagonal Pentatonics
Not a dime. Literally a tweak
String Butler v4 for oversized headstocks
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Been there…for different reasons…but I definitely understand that any little hang ups are annoying. There’s nothing like setting up the best you can, finding that one string hangs up somewhere, and leaves you 3 cents out of tune in a reliably frustrating manner. Personally, I think that this situation of yours is an excellent application of the string butler. It emulates the method used to deal with the good old Gibson Moderne….
Amp Mad Scientist
Ambassador of Heresy
If you lock the string first,
either by the "luthier's knot," see the video above
or
By locking tuners...(like the ratio locking tuners...)
2. Then follow the lock / stretch / re-tune procedure in post #19...
The string won't slip out at all, even by a few cents. It will be solidly locked at pitch.
If you use the string butler...
if you use locking tuners...
if you use the luthiers knot...
Even if you use a "locking nut..."
These 4 things alone are NOT enough by themselves to stop the strings from slipping out of tune.
You must combine lock / stretch / retune (post 19) together with any of these 4 methods,. to effectively stop the strings from slipping.
It has been said that: Gibson contains an "inherent defect" which causes the G string to slip out of tune.
That is pure BS.
It's ALL about how the string is installed, that's the only cause of the problems.
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LiveeviL2000
Ambassador of Pentagonal Pentatonics
I will be restringing all my guitars this week.
This V is going to be first on the workbench.
I will be doing a ton of lock, tune, stretch, tune etc…!
This V is going to be first on the workbench.
I will be doing a ton of lock, tune, stretch, tune etc…!
I need to get off my a$$ and restring/maintain a few guitars myself. Good luck to you sir!
Add #5 to that list. I’m channeling my best Robert here, the nut must be filed properly too! That high E and B string looks like they are pressed into the nut.
Good call! That’s @mcblink ’s Dean though…just for clarity. @LiveeviL2000 ’s looks like it’s been worked on a bit….maybe. Definitely not looking as tight as Blink’s.Add #5 to that list. I’m channeling my best Robert here, the nut must be filed properly too! That high E and B string looks like they are pressed into the nut.
mcblink
Ambassador of Riffs & Spliffs
Yeah they're not pressed in there lol
Does sorta look that way in the pic though.
It is a tight fit. They don't bind or pinch or anything. Certainly, it will not accept any larger guage than is currently installed without having to file some slots for sure though.
I've actually been quite impressed with the Dean's stability, given the extreme break angle of some of the strings. I would have anticipated problems with the D and G strings just by the look of it. But so far it's been solid.
Does sorta look that way in the pic though.
It is a tight fit. They don't bind or pinch or anything. Certainly, it will not accept any larger guage than is currently installed without having to file some slots for sure though.
I've actually been quite impressed with the Dean's stability, given the extreme break angle of some of the strings. I would have anticipated problems with the D and G strings just by the look of it. But so far it's been solid.
It’s like I often say…all bets are off until the strings are done stretching out.
DirtySteve
Ambassador of Hold My Beer
I use the locking technique posted above and have been doing it that way since the very first time I changed strings over 40 years ago. The technique works great, but it won't help one bit if the nut is not slotted properly and binding any strings.
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LiveeviL2000
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DirtySteve
Ambassador of Hold My Beer
I think the string butler is a good option for that guitar. That is one serious break on those strings. I never understood why Dean didn't make that V headstock narrower so the strings don't have to angle so hard coming out of the nut.
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LiveeviL2000
Ambassador of Pentagonal Pentatonics
The strings really didn’t hang up at the nut. I never heard that tell tale “ping”when it was being tuned.
I did this mod more to give the strings some breathing room between the pegs.
DirtySteve
Ambassador of Hold My Beer
Well, that's good. Maybe Dean needs to give Gibson some pointers on nut carving. So far I haven't bought a Gibson that didn't need nut work done, even my Standard.