real tube amps ? yes or no?

I was thinking that -- not that I need it but SEEMED a damn fine price -- almost a good "investment" it is a MARSHALL TUBE AMP for under 3 bills ...

however I have always like the bugera

are they REAL TUBE AMPS thought ??
 
eSGEe said:
do either sound as good as a Real early 80's British made Marshall Master Lead 12?
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The Origin is not really comparable to the Lead 12. It's more of a classic Plexi type of tone. The Lead 12 would be more in the realm of a DSL, and in that competition its no context: the DSL is the better sounding amp.

The Origin is cool as hell though as a pedal platform. I really would not mind having one of those to stick my Marvel Drive in front of for some serious old-school Marshall tones.
 
Bugera has a reputation for reliability issues. I'd avoid.

No way a 5 watt Marshall with an 8" speaker is going to sound like an 80's Master Lead.

What it does do is sound like a plexi at low cost. For total satisfaction I'd run it into at least a 1x12 cab and a pedal in front for more gain.

They are pretty darned cool as is though. Still loud at 5 watts. And yes, it's a real tube amp.
 
interesting -- I had the Origin 20h ... I liked it but -- never really could OPEN IT UP here at home -- was looking at the 5 ....but I really dont use pedals ....and I have this ...............
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which maybe all the Marshall I really need -- but the Origin 5 is soo neat.... wish they made a HEAD of it .... I would just "have to" as they say lol
Been watching Im thinking due to the RISING tube costs some folks might start DUMPING some tube amps fer cheap....
 
eSGEe said:
I was thinking that -- not that I need it but SEEMED a damn fine price -- almost a good "investment" it is a MARSHALL TUBE AMP for under 3 bills ...

however I have always like the bugera

are they REAL TUBE AMPS thought ??
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Yes it's a real tube amp. Like a Fender Champ small sized.
It could use a speaker upgrade to 10" if a ten inch will fit on that baffle board....
8" speaker lacks bass too much. But normally in this sized cabinet it's possible to upgrade the baffle board.
I did put a 10" speaker in my Fender Champ, but of course I had to cut out the baffle board...

It would work OK with effects since it's a primarily clean amp.

Bugera- not very reliable.
Fender still makes the most reliable amps overall. Marshall is OK for the most part.
 
eSGEe said:
interesting -- I had the Origin 20h ... I liked it but -- never really could OPEN IT UP here at home -- was looking at the 5 ....but I really dont use pedals ....and I have this ...............
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which maybe all the Marshall I really need -- but the Origin 5 is soo neat.... wish they made a HEAD of it .... I would just "have to" as they say lol
Been watching Im thinking due to the RISING tube costs some folks might start DUMPING some tube amps fer cheap....
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I mean...honestly...that Marshall is all the amp you really need but I do find the little tube Marshalls to be super cool. I love the DSL-1 I have for low volume playing. I just retubed it and it sounds freaking fantastic and takes pedals like a champ (I know you don't really use them, but I never met a Marshall that didn't love a Tube Screamer or SD-1 sitting in front of it).
 
eSGEe said:
interesting -- I had the Origin 20h ... I liked it but -- never really could OPEN IT UP here at home -- was looking at the 5 ....but I really dont use pedals ....and I have this ...............
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which maybe all the Marshall I really need -- but the Origin 5 is soo neat.... wish they made a HEAD of it .... I would just "have to" as they say lol
Been watching Im thinking due to the RISING tube costs some folks might start DUMPING some tube amps fer cheap....
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Personally, I'd use the Origin 5C as a head in effect. Put it into a 2x12 or 4x12 and you'll enjoy it more. Throw a BOSS SD-1 in front and RAWK. If you have any 1x12 cabs it is still an improvement over the 8".

To get any sort of gain you need to dime it, and the rest of your household may not like that. That's why I suggest a pedal in front. I only suggested an SD-1 because it works well. Tubescreamers are also good in them, IMHO. YMMV

Good luck!
 
I do like the DSL1h ... however Im thinking its tone is to close to the fender bassbreaker 007 I allready have ....and the origin would do the cleans the bassbreaker isnt into and vice versa .....but.... who really knows........

the marshall LOOKS more like the OLD Clapton amp now dont it?
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gball said:
The Lead 12 would be more in the realm of a DSL, and in that competition its no context: the DSL is the better sounding amp.
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It depends on the type of music being played, the player and many other factors.

I always thought it was part of the evolution.

JTM/early JMP - This sounds great!

JCM800 - Sounds like we threw a rock at a wasps' nest, and they're still buying it!

JCM900 - Yay! We made the 800 sound even worse!

DSL - I can't believe they're still buying our amps! Let's roll with it!
 
Improvisational jazz noodles with metal overtones is my main genre .........(its not really a thing but hey its mine and FVCK PATENTS) --- its a nice way of saying SHIte playing with distortion and some harmony every now and then. ;)
 
gball said:
I mean...honestly...that Marshall is all the amp you really need but I do find the little tube Marshalls to be super cool. I love the DSL-1 I have for low volume playing. I just retubed it and it sounds freaking fantastic and takes pedals like a champ (I know you don't really use them, but I never met a Marshall that didn't love a Tube Screamer or SD-1 sitting in front of it).
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Did you say pedals???

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I think way too much emphasis is placed on gear and not enough on performing and creating music. I've said for years that all your subtle nuances that you strive so hard to hear in private will vaporizes on the stage once the first drumbeat hits. You won't hear ANY of the subtleties, so why stress out, spend tons of $$$$ needlessly for something only YOU will ever hear when sitting in YOUR home studio with headphones on????

There are situations where the old tube amps and old equipment still produce really great results, and there's nothing wrong with gathering up that equipment, but it's always wide to avoid the 'Rabbit Holes' when you are chasing tone.

What's best???

Depends on what you are doing. Depends on a realistic budget. Depends on what YOU want to achieve.

If you want to brag about how much you spent on an amp or guitar, then that's cool too, but that hardly supports a "which is better" argument, unless we are just talking about one's ability to outspend another.

I know guys who I see everyday, and they are buying $200.00 Mogami cables and they do not sound any better than my $24.00 Monoprice cables...and that' on commercial recordings where we can 'see" line noise.

90% of the music industry is based on mythology. Myths like cloth covered wire sounds better than poly covered wire, or how capacitor construction with identical values somehow sound better...and while most of these myths have been busted in various videos, guys will still pay huge $$$ for old vintage items that are hardly even up to performing as they did when new due to age and deterioration.

People hate facts because it invalidates the personal theories that they use as a justification for saying ______ this is better than _____.

I personally like to see people playing and enjoying their gear as opposed to being dissatisfied because their gear didn't meet an expectation that was unreasonable/unreachable from inception. Now I realize that I may be a minority in this situation, but because I am in the business of teaching/advising/guiding people to make reasonable and effective gear purchases, I see how the marketing campaigns and the mythology can create a lot of dissatisfaction with really decent pieces of gear.

I found this in a music forum and wanted to share it.

I'm not the only one....

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Robert Herndon said:
I think way too much emphasis is placed on gear and not enough on performing and creating music. I've said for years that all your subtle nuances that you strive so hard to hear in private will vaporizes on the stage once the first drumbeat hits. You won't hear ANY of the subtleties, so why stress out, spend tons of $$$$ needlessly for something only YOU will ever hear when sitting in YOUR home studio with headphones on????

There are situations where the old tube amps and old equipment still produce really great results, and there's nothing wrong with gathering up that equipment, but it's always wide to avoid the 'Rabbit Holes' when you are chasing tone.

What's best???

Depends on what you are doing. Depends on a realistic budget. Depends on what YOU want to achieve.

If you want to brag about how much you spent on an amp or guitar, then that's cool too, but that hardly supports a "which is better" argument, unless we are just talking about one's ability to outspend another.

I know guys who I see everyday, and they are buying $200.00 Mogami cables and they do not sound any better than my $24.00 Monoprice cables...and that' on commercial recordings where we can 'see" line noise.

90% of the music industry is based on mythology. Myths like cloth covered wire sounds better than poly covered wire, or how capacitor construction with identical values somehow sound better...and while most of these myths have been busted in various videos, guys will still pay huge $$$ for old vintage items that are hardly even up to performing as they did when new due to age and deterioration.

People hate facts because it invalidates the personal theories that they use as a justification for saying ______ this is better than _____.

I personally like to see people playing and enjoying their gear as opposed to being dissatisfied because their gear didn't meet an expectation that was unreasonable/unreachable from inception. Now I realize that I may be a minority in this situation, but because I am in the business of teaching/advising/guiding people to make reasonable and effective gear purchases, I see how the marketing campaigns and the mythology can create a lot of dissatisfaction with really decent pieces of gear.

I found this in a music forum and wanted to share it.

I'm not the only one....

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100% AMEN!
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