gball
Ambassador of Boogie
They don't, the II-C+ is only in the Mk 5's. And it is glorious!
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They don't, the II-C+ is only in the Mk 5's. And it is glorious!
syscokid
Ambassador of War & Peace
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gball
Ambassador of Boogie
I use the II-C+ mode probably 50% of the time. The rest is split between the Crunch and Mk IV.
Unfortunately, I have had two go south on me. One 6L6 that took the Mesa out of a gig...I had my Laney for backup thankfully.
One 12ax7 that poofed at home.
Edit: not bad for a span of 17 years.
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eSGEe
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Im curious -- in other threads you mention a penchant (and or NEED) for good tones at LOWER volume---- might I ask why your contemplating heads with more UMPH than the Marshal Origin?
Logically needing LOUDER operation to achieve full on gain craziness>
Again this is not major issue if you have the ability to attenuate-- but it just struck me as curious........
are you planing to send the wife on a long cruise???
or rent a small studio space with sound proofing?
Logically needing LOUDER operation to achieve full on gain craziness>
Again this is not major issue if you have the ability to attenuate-- but it just struck me as curious........
are you planing to send the wife on a long cruise???
or rent a small studio space with sound proofing?
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Mr Grumpy
Ambassador of Comings and Goings
I have no idea what I am talking about...
However, an attenuator should be on the way. Plus a small head, while expensive, would be a life long companion. Easy to take around the world. And, I think that maybe some of the mesa amps would actually get a better driven sound at low volumes.
However, an attenuator should be on the way. Plus a small head, while expensive, would be a life long companion. Easy to take around the world. And, I think that maybe some of the mesa amps would actually get a better driven sound at low volumes.
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gball
Ambassador of Boogie
Personally I don't think so. The Mesa amps listed have arguably the best master volume in the business. I routinely run my Mark 5:25 at conversation levels for practicing and I give up almost nothing at that volume. I literally have complete conversations with my wife without having to stop playing, and sometimes I'll watch a ballgame while practicing without having to turn the TV volume up.
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Mr Grumpy
Ambassador of Comings and Goings
Also, and please tell me if I am talking complete rubbish here... If I have an 8ohm 1 by 12 cab then apart from running at 8 ohm, some of the Mesa amps have a 4 ohm speaker output which would bring my power output down.
Of, I might just blow something up...
The Marshall is quite limiting as it wants to see 16 ohms at the speaker.
Of, I might just blow something up...
The Marshall is quite limiting as it wants to see 16 ohms at the speaker.
gball
Ambassador of Boogie
No, using the 4-ohm tap won't bring the output power down. It's perfectly safe to plug an 8-ohm load into the 4-ohm tap, always OK to mismatch up not down, but the power output remains the same.
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Mr Grumpy
Ambassador of Comings and Goings
So, I can plug my Marshall 16 ohm into an 8 ohm external cab, no problem.?
chilipeppermaniac
Ambassador of Decibels
If I read you right, Grumpy, NO
If your amp is at 16 ohm, YOU MUST play into a 16 ohm cab. If it has ohms selector and you play an 8 ohm cab, switch it to 8 on the amp,
If you're playing multiple cabs, you must do the math on the combo of cabs, and either match it with AMP ohms, or at worst, have amp set below the mutiple cab results. SO, as Ray asked in a thread earlier, if his combination of cabs yield's 5.33 Ohms, he should be setting his amp for 4 ohm to be safe.
gball
Ambassador of Boogie
No, you can go up but not down.
i.e. you can plug and 8 or 16 ohm load (speaker) into the 4 ohm tap on the amp. You can plug a 16 into the 8-ohm. But you never, never want to plug a lower resistance load into the amp tap, like plugging an 8-ohm speaker into a 16-ohm tap.
But really, it's always best to match the speaker load to the amp tap.
chilipeppermaniac
Ambassador of Decibels
Gball, Imagine the confusion I had when I got my orange Marsh amp and the orange Behringer Eminence loaded 4x12 and was getting readings to match 32 ohm in Stereo and 64 ohm in mono in the jack plate.
chilipeppermaniac
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Dave Sloven
Ambassador of DOOM!
Yeah I don't know why but I have a few friends with Mesas who've had tubes fail on them at gigs. I've only had one fail in practice, so that's less publicly visible.
My friend had a tube arch between pins and blow the socket and tube at a show a couple of weeks ago. I took it to my tech Frank for him last week and he says that the fault must be something to do with the speaker load, which is odd because it is a combo and didn't have any external speaker connected at the time. I can only assume that it is a fault with the relays and switching inside the amp around the whole board with those different ohms sockets for external speakers on the back. You can see the date on the valves for when the amp was last serviced. It was unlikely to be the two-month old valve at fault.
My friend had a tube arch between pins and blow the socket and tube at a show a couple of weeks ago. I took it to my tech Frank for him last week and he says that the fault must be something to do with the speaker load, which is odd because it is a combo and didn't have any external speaker connected at the time. I can only assume that it is a fault with the relays and switching inside the amp around the whole board with those different ohms sockets for external speakers on the back. You can see the date on the valves for when the amp was last serviced. It was unlikely to be the two-month old valve at fault.
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Mr Grumpy
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I always find this strange because it seems so limiting:
(This is the Marshall Origin 20w).
So??? The normal connection is between the far left 16 ohm and the 16 ohm internal speaker. OK, I get that - it's matched, 16 ohm to 16 ohm.
But there's two 8 ohm connections, so does this mean that 2 8 ohm external cabs can be plugged in to be a total of 16 ohm - it's matched, 16 ohm (total) to 16 ohm. ???
But, on the Marshall website is says this:
Does that mean that one of the 8 ohm inputs can be used alone because that input has an 8 ohm speaker load because the amp has one input which has a variable "amp tap"?
Also, when I asked Marshall, they sent me an email back saying that:
"The origin is designed to work with one or two 16ohm cabinets or one 8ohms cabinet, if you unplug the internal socket you can use your extension cabinet in one of the two sockets marked 8ohms, but you cannot use them together as it will be a impedance mismatch."
This is a bit frustrating because I cannot ever use the internal 16 ohm speaker with an external cab...
Am I right in saying I only have three speaker choices with this Marshall: 1) 1 x 16 ohm speaker; or 2) 1 x 8 ohm speaker; or 3) 2 x 16 ohm speakers.
If Marshall had made the internal "resistance"/combo speaker 8 ohm then there would be so many more options.
(This is the Marshall Origin 20w).
So??? The normal connection is between the far left 16 ohm and the 16 ohm internal speaker. OK, I get that - it's matched, 16 ohm to 16 ohm.
But there's two 8 ohm connections, so does this mean that 2 8 ohm external cabs can be plugged in to be a total of 16 ohm - it's matched, 16 ohm (total) to 16 ohm. ???
But, on the Marshall website is says this:
Does that mean that one of the 8 ohm inputs can be used alone because that input has an 8 ohm speaker load because the amp has one input which has a variable "amp tap"?
Also, when I asked Marshall, they sent me an email back saying that:
"The origin is designed to work with one or two 16ohm cabinets or one 8ohms cabinet, if you unplug the internal socket you can use your extension cabinet in one of the two sockets marked 8ohms, but you cannot use them together as it will be a impedance mismatch."
This is a bit frustrating because I cannot ever use the internal 16 ohm speaker with an external cab...
Am I right in saying I only have three speaker choices with this Marshall: 1) 1 x 16 ohm speaker; or 2) 1 x 8 ohm speaker; or 3) 2 x 16 ohm speakers.
If Marshall had made the internal "resistance"/combo speaker 8 ohm then there would be so many more options.
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Dave Sloven
Ambassador of DOOM!
This is a bit frustrating because I cannot ever use the internal 16 ohm speaker with an external cab...
Am I right in saying I only have three speaker choices with this Marshall: 1) 1 x 16 ohm speaker; or 2) 1 x 8 ohm speaker; or 3) 2 x 8 ohm speakers.
If Marshall had made the internal "resistance"/combo speaker 8 ohm then there would be so many more options.
I'm not really sure how this works without looking at the manual or speaking to someone from Marshall but you do realise that 16 ohm 112 cabs are available, yeah? They are just a 16 ohm speaker (e.g., one of the 16 ohm V30s in my cabs) wired to a jack. If you have a 4 ohm 112 cab you could switch out the speaker for a 16 ohm one.