Pickup Construction Observations:

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I've been taking a lot of pickups apart lately. I've had some 'broken' pickups come to me for repairs and some given to me, and I've done a lot of magnet flips for people, including a set of mid-1970's Gibson T-Tops.

I like the wood spacers in some of the Gibson's and 'vintage style' Duncan's, as opposed to the plastic spacers. However, not all Gibson pickups use a wood spacer, believe it or not. I also like how Gibson and Epiphone both thread the pole piece screws into the baseplate, whereas, on many of the import pickups, the pole piece screws thread into the spacer itself. No big deal, it works the same anyways, just a preference.

Interestingly, the import pickups generally look better constructed in terms of thickness and material used in the construction of the bobbins, and the tightness of the winds in general.

Honorable mention goes to the Artec Classic Standard and Artec 1959. Both of these are Artec's premium offering, design by former Gibson winder Wolfgang Dam - inventor of the P-94.

Nickel silver baseplate, threaded like a Gibson, wood spacers, sand cast AlNico II Magnet and enameled wiring measuring right around #42awg and clearly scatter wound. Much better than I expected.

The Epiphone's look good inside too, and share a similar style bobbin, but they are so heavily wax potted at times - literally encased in a near solid block - that I wonder if this affects their tonal response??? Light wax potting is all that's required and only in certain areas.

Just thinking outloud...
 
The real question is...have any of your observations about construction shown a correlation to the sound of the pickups?
 
I wipe off the extra wax with a paper towel before installation. Funny thing, my Dimarzio SD squealed like a pig after install. It went away after a day or so. I always figured the wax may have settled.
 
The real question is...have any of your observations about construction shown a correlation to the sound of the pickups?

None whatsoever. I've installed a $5,000 pair of vintage Gibson 1959 PAF's (with provenance) that never sounded clear, despite pot/cap/wiring changes. Some Asian pickups sound great...some Gibson's do and others do not. I can find no logical correlation.

Thoughts???
 
I wipe off the extra wax with a paper towel before installation. Funny thing, my Dimarzio SD squealed like a pig after install. It went away after a day or so. I always figured the wax may have settled.

Warm them with a hair dryer to re-flow the wax...
 
None whatsoever. I've installed a $5,000 pair of vintage Gibson 1959 PAF's (with provenance) that never sounded clear, despite pot/cap/wiring changes. Some Asian pickups sound great...some Gibson's do and others do not. I can find no logical correlation.

Thoughts???

Not surprised. There is nothing "special" about PAFs other than their collectability, and I find that all pickups vary from unit to unit. IME modern Gibson pickups are the most consistent but I have had a couple that were just not right. The '57's in my Les Paul are unbelieveable - some of the best pickups I have ever had in any guitar. The '57's in my SG are good but not great. I've even thought about trying something else in that guitar.
 
This may be off topic. But my experience with pups. I killed the neck pup on my Tele when I was installing a 4 position switch. Needed to ground metal cover separate from the pup itself. Killed that sucker dead.

I now return the conversation to the originally scheduled topic.

Edit: actually. Not true. I did swap the OEM Epi pups in my G400 for a set of 57s I got off eBay. That went well and sounds great.
 
This may be off topic. But my experience with pups. I killed the neck pup on my Tele when I was installing a 4 position switch. Needed to ground metal cover separate from the pup itself. Killed that sucker dead.

I now return the conversation to the originally scheduled topic.

Edit: actually. Not true. I did swap the OEM Epi pups in my G400 for a set of 57s I got off eBay. That went well and sounds great.

How exactly did you kill it???
 
Not surprised. There is nothing "special" about PAFs other than their collectability, and I find that all pickups vary from unit to unit. IME modern Gibson pickups are the most consistent but I have had a couple that were just not right. The '57's in my Les Paul are unbelieveable - some of the best pickups I have ever had in any guitar. The '57's in my SG are good but not great. I've even thought about trying something else in that guitar.

Don't laugh....I'm actually considering trying a pair of the Epiphone Classic Plus's in my double neck in place of the $549.00/Pair Thro-Bak SLE-101's.
 
Don't laugh....I'm actually considering trying a pair of the Epiphone Classic Plus's in my double neck in place of the $549.00/Pair Thro-Bak SLE-101's.

What works works. The best sound I ever got out of one of my PRS' was after yanking the $450 worth of PRS pickups and dropping some GFS in there.
 
What works works. The best sound I ever got out of one of my PRS' was after yanking the $450 worth of PRS pickups and dropping some GFS in there.

Go figure!!!!

Having said that, the Gibson 57 Classic Plus and Burstbuckr Pro I have in my SG are both way hotter than advertised and sound phenomenal!!!
 
How exactly did you kill it???
You have to snip the ground wire between the pup windings and the cover. Which I carefully did. then you remove cover from pup so you can solder a ground wire to it. Put it all back together. Felt I had done everything right. But it was dead. Got a new Strat style coverless pickup from Carvin and put it in. Worked like a champ.

So not really sure how I messed up. But I did. It’s on my Tele clone that started life as a Saga kit guitar I bought used and already assembled. Cheap. Painted with a brush. Butt ugly. Sanded it all down to wood and refinished. So even with a new pup, I don’t have a lot in it. And I do like the 4 position switch and the options it gives me.
 
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The Epiphone's look good inside too, and share a similar style bobbin, but they are so heavily wax potted at times - literally encased in a near solid block - that I wonder if this affects their tonal response??? Light wax potting is all that's required and only in certain areas.
It might. The old PAFs were not waxed at all, weren't they? And their "unwanted" properties - being prone to feedback will of course also affect the tone at lower volumes.

A while ago i changed the Epiphone Humbuckers against Tonerider P90-alike PUs in a medium quality Epi Les Paul. Which pushed the guitar into a different league. With the original PUs it sounded well balanced, quite ok, but less lively than most of our guitars.
Which might actually be an advantage if You want to play it with heavy distortion and/or really loud - but for a clean sound more openness is needed. Contrast: my 3 T-Tops, especially the one in my V, the burstbuckers of the Gibson Les Paul Studio of my son. Even the relatively dark chinese pickups of our "SD" guitar (cheap SG clone) were more "lively" than the Epi humbuckers.
 
It might. The old PAFs were not waxed at all, weren't they? And their "unwanted" properties - being prone to feedback will of course also affect the tone at lower volumes.

A while ago i changed the Epiphone Humbuckers against Tonerider P90-alike PUs in a medium quality Epi Les Paul. Which pushed the guitar into a different league. With the original PUs it sounded well balanced, quite ok, but less lively than most of our guitars.
Which might actually be an advantage if You want to play it with heavy distortion and/or really loud - but for a clean sound more openness is needed. Contrast: my 3 T-Tops, especially the one in my V, the burstbuckers of the Gibson Les Paul Studio of my son. Even the relatively dark chinese pickups of our "SD" guitar (cheap SG clone) were more "lively" than the Epi humbuckers.

The Artec Milestones - designed by Wolfgang Damn - are unpotted too and use wooden spacers. They wind the coils tight and wrap them tightly with a cloth tape - a method they call 'feedback resistive.'
 
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