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Over the past few weeks, I have encountered some changes. First, was the loss of our online friend Kevin Paul Moore, followed by my 10 year old son deciding that he wanted to go and live with his biological Mother because my rules are more strict than he would like. In many ways, it has been difficult to walk by his room and not see him there, although his nasty disposition of late has not been missed in the least.

We are discovering that all of his recent bizarre, self-destructive behavior at school - getting kicked out of an after school program last week that took me a year and a half to get him into, physically attacking another student without provocation, failing to participate and follow any kind of order or direction, were all intentional acts, designed to accelerate reunification with his Mother. His ability to be nearly angelic when visiting the homes of friends demonstrates to me that, notwithstanding disorders such as ODD/ADHD, he is still making choices...bad ones.

Special programs, such as the IEP/504, that took me nearly two years of attending school board meetings and filing written petitions to secure, have become a wasted opportunity and one that would greatly benefit him. I have now endured four years of increasingly hostile behavior, angry outbursts, kicking holes in the walls, writing on the walls, theft from within our own home and from the school, verbal abuse, constant antagonism, almost monthly changing of psycho-therapies in an effort to get to the root of the matter, different medications and pushing for special school programs, only to discover that it's been more of a choice and a statement than anything else.

it's sad when you are so well known at the school (75 yards away) that you do not even need to show I.D. to get buzzed in the office anymore. Ironically, out of three sons - 31, 21 and 10, the youngest is the only one that has given us any trouble. we never had any issues with the two older boys of any kind.

Having said all of this, and simply venting to some extent, I am reminded that this struggle doesn't even register in comparison to what some people are going through.

My 53rd birthday passed on November 9th quietly and joyfully and I celebrated it with my wife and daughter Natalie, sitting outside at an Olive Garden, watching cars pass by and talking about the future. It gave me some time to reflect upon these things. The winds are gusting outside up over 50mph, so no time for a walk until they die down a bit, hopefully later on today.

I am most grateful to you fellows for your online friendship. I wanted to apologize for my manner of 'speaking' (herein) sometimes, which can come off in a conceited kind of way. Sometimes, in the excitement to share something interesting or useful, I can often come off quite snobbish and opinionated. In real life, I'm actually much more reserved, as i think Chas Fred will likely attest.

Some of my opinions, practices, methodology and preferences really have no useful purpose here.

All my life I have struggled with over-achievement, lofty dreams, a desire to do things differently and sometimes setting unreasonable goals for myself.

My humble apologies to those of you that I have offended and/or annoyed with my online mannerisms, especially @Thatbastarddon, @RobV, and @Col Mustard - as I know I have made their online forum interactions somewhat less than enjoyable at times.

Wishing all of you the very best...
 
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Hi Robert,

You contribute so much to this forum. No need to be anyone but yourself! I probably come off as insane, but actually,
I work all day with SPED, ARD/IEPs, 504 eligibilities, individual and small group counseling, and classroom guidance for
grades Pre-K through 5th. I'm of the stern opinion that 10-year-olds do not have the wisdom and maturity to determine with
whom they shall live, and from whom they shall receive parenting. Ultimately, they feel love from the parent that "keeps holding
the box," (i.e. takes the role of parent, rather than best friend), instead of the other parent that gives in to their every wish
in order to appear (in comparison) as the kind, loving parent. Anyone can say, "Yes," but it takes a real parent to say, "No."

Please be proud of all your accomplishments and holding the line as a good Dad. We're proud of you!

p.s. Ghost sucks, man. ;)
 
Hi Robert,

You contribute so much to this forum. No need to be anyone but yourself! I probably come off as insane, but actually,
I work all day with SPED, ARD/IEPs, 504 eligibilities, individual and small group counseling, and classroom guidance for
grades Pre-K through 5th. I'm of the stern opinion that 10-year-olds do not have the wisdom and maturity to determine with
whom they shall live, and from whom they shall receive parenting. Ultimately, they feel love from the parent that "keeps holding
the box," (i.e. takes the role of parent, rather than best friend), instead of the other parent that gives in to their every wish
in order to appear (in comparison) as the kind, loving parent. Anyone can say, "Yes," but it takes a real parent to say, "No."

Please be proud of all your accomplishments and holding the line as a good Dad. We're proud of you!

p.s. Ghost sucks, man. ;)

Thanks, Goldy...I appreciate your kind, educated and thoughtful response. I agree with you on your opinion of wisdom and maturity with regard to making choices. This case is somewhat unique in that his actions have simply escalated to the point that I am willing to try a custody agreement because nothing else is working, and he is dangerously close to expulsion from the district, which will create a completely different set of circumstances...
 
p.s. Ghost sucks, man. ;)
I almost wet my shorts at that--------

Robert your a good egg-- like Goldie said -- your holding the line -- which (as I WELL KNOW) is sometimes what DAD has to do-- doesnt ALWAYS make one "popular" -- but in the long run you hope it DOES make a lasting and positive impression---

I know my Dad did some things I DID NOT LIKE --- and it created riffs (that I am sure sometimes he didnt understand then) -- but I learned later -- they were fair-- just-- and taught me something I needed to learn--- sadly I only got to thank him for SOME of that before he passed-- now I hope to be GOOD enough to see him later and tell him in full.

No real (real not psycho therapist mumbo jumbo books) instructions for being a parent-- and one persons GOOD parent is another persons HORRIBLE one-- no cookie cutter end all fits all answers, its all a very unique and custom sometimes hard sometimes AMAZINGLY rewarding situation-- the best you can do is try --
 
Robert your so called unreasonable dreams "as you call it" are a pleasure and educational to most of us. I enjoy reading your posts and look forward to many more. I also suffered with my son moving back to his mothers house because he thought my rules were to harsh. I simply wouldn't let him stay out all night and run with the bad crowd. Believe it or not he will hang on to some of your "our" values and pass them on too their children. Hang in there my friend...…..
 
I almost wet my shorts at that--------

Robert your a good egg-- like Goldie said -- your holding the line -- which (as I WELL KNOW) is sometimes what DAD has to do-- doesnt ALWAYS make one "popular" -- but in the long run you hope it DOES make a lasting and positive impression---

I know my Dad did some things I DID NOT LIKE --- and it created riffs (that I am sure sometimes he didnt understand then) -- but I learned later -- they were fair-- just-- and taught me something I needed to learn--- sadly I only got to thank him for SOME of that before he passed-- now I hope to be GOOD enough to see him later and tell him in full.

No real (real not psycho therapist mumbo jumbo books) instructions for being a parent-- and one persons GOOD parent is another persons HORRIBLE one-- no cookie cutter end all fits all answers, its all a very unique and custom sometimes hard sometimes AMAZINGLY rewarding situation-- the best you can do is try --

Thanks, Adrian...it is a tough (and thankless) job at times!!!!
 
Robert your so called unreasonable dreams "as you call it" are a pleasure and educational to most of us. I enjoy reading your posts and look forward to many more. I also suffered with my son moving back to his mothers house because he thought my rules were to harsh. I simply wouldn't let him stay out all night and run with the bad crowd. Believe it or not he will hang on to some of your "our" values and pass them on too their children. Hang in there my friend...…..

Thank you, Man...I appreciate your time in reading and replying to this. You wisdom from experience is also appreciated... :-)
 
Well, Frickin-F'n-A Robert... a belated Happy and Helacious Birthday to you, Bro... :cheers:.

You're such a polite Mofo... You didn't even throw your 10 year old son's biological mother under the bus. I agree with Goldmember's assessment of a 10 year old's capabilities. I'm thinking that there is some very selfish coaching going on by you know who!
 
I know little or nothing about raising kids, but I do know that you cannot hold yourself accountable for the choices of those you love, especially when you love as completely and sincerely as you do.

I have said it before, the misgivings you attribute to yourself..snobbishness, oddness, etc....are lost on everyone else. You are a respected and valued member and a person I consider a friend. I would step into harm's way for you any time.

And a belated happy birthday!!!!
 
Well, Frickin-F'n-A Robert... a belated Happy and Helacious Birthday to you, Bro... :cheers:.

You're such a polite Mofo... You didn't even throw your 10 year old son's biological mother under the bus. I agree with Goldmember's assessment of a 10 year old's capabilities. I'm thinking that there is some very selfish coaching going on by you know who!

We agree and believe that you are correct. I have sole physical and legal custody, so my decision is to draft an agreement between parties that will afford the Mom to have primary physical custody of our son, on a trial basis, and see if these behavioral traits improve.
 
I know little or nothing about raising kids, but I do know that you cannot hold yourself accountable for the choices of those you love, especially when you love as completely and sincerely as you do.

I have said it before, the misgivings you attribute to yourself..snobbishness, oddness, etc....are lost on everyone else. You are a respected and valued member and a person I consider a friend. I would step into harm's way for you any time.

And a belated happy birthday!!!!

Thank you. I believe that we, as intellectuals, can sometimes forge stronger bonds with our like-minded online buddies than we do with people we encounter in person. Please know that each of you is a very real and important person to me, and not just simply an online apparition...
 
Best of luck, Robert!

Being a parent of two boys (aged 11 and 14), I know things can be hard. I thank my lucky stars that we have had no real problems with them (as of yet...), but having worked as a middle school teacher for 12 years I know all too well that things can be tough at times.

Kids are individuals, and must be treated as such, there is no single right way to raise them or help them through hard times. Except loving them, even when they are at their worst. That's when they need it and deserve it most. And you are a smart man not to be too proud to try alternative solutions to solve the issue. One thing I have learned, both as a teacher and as a parent; When going through hard times with a kid, don't do more of what doesn't work. If a kid doesn't listen to your raised voice, don't continue yelling. Pushing never brings anyone closer to you.
 
Kids can be myopic. You raise them the way you do out of conscience and love. Kids don't see it that way. In time, they may understand and appreciate what you do and why. It can seem like a road ahead to that point. The dents in my walls shaped like my head bear testament to that.
 
Best of luck, Robert!

Being a parent of two boys (aged 11 and 14), I know things can be hard. I thank my lucky stars that we have had no real problems with them (as of yet...), but having worked as a middle school teacher for 12 years I know all too well that things can be tough at times.

Kids are individuals, and must be treated as such, there is no single right way to raise them or help them through hard times. Except loving them, even when they are at their worst. That's when they need it and deserve it most. And you are a smart man not to be too proud to try alternative solutions to solve the issue. One thing I have learned, both as a teacher and as a parent; When going through hard times with a kid, don't do more of what doesn't work. If a kid doesn't listen to your raised voice, don't continue yelling. Pushing never brings anyone closer to you.

And don't apologize for being yourself on TTR. You bring a lot to this forum, quirks and all. This place would be a lot poorer without you.

Thank you, Tone Brother... :-)
 
Over the past few weeks, I have encountered some changes. First, was the loss of our online friend Kevin Paul Moore, followed by my 10 year old son deciding that he wanted to go and live with his biological Mother because my rules are more strict than he would like. In many ways, it has been difficult to walk by his room and not see him there, although his nasty disposition of late has not been missed in the least.

We are discovering that all of his recent bizarre, self-destructive behavior at school - getting kicked out of an after school program last week that took me a year and a half to get him into, physically attacking another student without provocation, failing to participate and follow any kind of order or direction, were all intentional acts, designed to accelerate reunification with his Mother. His ability to be nearly angelic when visiting the homes of friends demonstrates to me that, notwithstanding disorders such as ODD/ADHD, he is still making choices...bad ones.

Special programs, such as the IEP/504, that took me nearly two years of attending school board meetings and filing written petitions to secure, have become a wasted opportunity and one that would greatly benefit him. I have now endured four years of increasingly hostile behavior, angry outbursts, kicking holes in the walls, writing on the walls, theft from within our own home and from the school, verbal abuse, constant antagonism, almost monthly changing of psycho-therapies in an effort to get to the root of the matter, different medications and pushing for special school programs, only to discover that it's been more of a choice and a statement than anything else.

it's sad when you are so well known at the school (75 yards away) that you do not even need to show I.D. to get buzzed in the office anymore. Ironically, out of three sons - 31, 21 and 10, the youngest is the only one that has given us any trouble. we never had any issues with the two older boys of any kind.

Having said all of this, and simply venting to some extent, I am reminded that this struggle doesn't even register in comparison to what some people are going through.

My 53rd birthday passed on November 9th quietly and joyfully and I celebrated it with my wife and daughter Natalie, sitting outside at an Olive Garden, watching cars pass by and talking about the future. It gave me some time to reflect upon these things. The winds are gusting outside up over 50mph, so no time for a walk until they die down a bit, hopefully later on today.

I am most grateful to you fellows for your online friendship. I wanted to apologize for my manner of 'speaking' (herein) sometimes, which can come off in a conceited kind of way. Sometimes, in the excitement to share something interesting or useful, I can often come off quite snobbish and opinionated. In real life, I'm actually much more reserved, as i think Chas Fred will likely attest.

Some of my opinions, practices, methodology and preferences really have no useful purpose here.

All my life I have struggled with over-achievement, lofty dreams, a desire to do things differently and sometimes setting unreasonable goals for myself.

My humble apologies to those of you that I have offended and/or annoyed with my online mannerisms, especially @Thatbastarddon, @RobV, and @Col Mustard - as I know I have made their online forum interactions somewhat less than enjoyable at times.

Wishing all of you the very best...
Hang in there Robert.
I’ve seen a number of my friends in situations where their children have chopped and changed who they want to live with, even against court orders, dependant in which parent let’s them do whatever they want.
Parents need to be parents, not a BFF, and when one chooses that over their real responsibility then it is incredibly difficult.
I hope and pray for you that at some point the light bulb goes on and your boy comes to a realisation and brings himself back to you in some way.

Happy belated birthday Robert (same date as my wonderful wife’s).
Taking some time out to relax, watch the world go by and talk about the future sounds like a pretty good way to celebrate your life so far.
 
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