Obsession with LP weights

iblive said:
As a kid not old enough to legally purchase…. Did not do MD. In my corner of western Illinois Boones Farm was the crappy drink of choice. :pound-hand:
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Lol Boones still runs strong in these parts. Used to be able to get 4 bottles for $10. Once you totally give up caring and are just looking for a cheap buzz: enter the MD 20/20, Wild Irish Rose, Cisco, Night Train and God help us all, Thunderbird. Truthfully, I think Night Train was the worst of the lot but everyone swore it was Thunderbird who had that title
 
JohnnyGoo said:
As a kid our local Mini Mart store had MD 20/20 all flavors,Nite Train,which i drank one time and didnt make it home for 3 days. My grandparents used to buy Thinderbird and the Vini Rose so ya ive drank those and live to tell about it.
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I always had access to MD ( Mad Dog as it's better known around here) and Wild Irish Rose ( Rosie! And when you put a paper bag around it, it's Rosie With a Skirt On). Finding the other 3 took a lil more effort but, I found them and tried them. The Night Train was the hardest to get through. Basically Robitussin but knocks you into a stupor for a while
 
I come from a wine making village in Rheinland-Pfalz. My preferred vinyard, I can sample the wines with the owner/winemaker. I brought back 8 bottles on my latest trip. Before 2001, my carry-on luggage was always two cases of wine.

At Weingut Schauss, in Monzingen, Nahe.

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gball said:
It’s all BS, agreed. I have LPs with weights all over the place and its the heavier ones that sound better to me generally, in defiance of conventional wisdom. I’ve read that the older, denser wood is the heavier parts from the center of the trees - all this nonsense about the “golden age” guitars being “better” because of lighter “old growth” wood is pure BS mythmaking. In reality they were using older, denser wood in the ‘70s, and those guitars have always sounded better than ones from the ‘50s to me. If your back can handle them that is!
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Yeah so many variables.
The 73 Deluxe is the heaviest but has mini HB and has less electric sustain than my others.
The obsession over weight... and cap material in a guitar... and the switch tip color....
 
Clockworkmike said:
Lol Boones still runs strong in these parts. Used to be able to get 4 bottles for $10. Once you totally give up caring and are just looking for a cheap buzz: enter the MD 20/20, Wild Irish Rose, Cisco, Night Train and God help us all, Thunderbird. Truthfully, I think Night Train was the worst of the lot but everyone swore it was Thunderbird who had that title
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In the early/mid 70s.... BF was 99 cents a bottle. Can't get much cheaper than that.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
Yeah so many variables.
The 73 Deluxe is the heaviest but has mini HB and has less electric sustain than my others.
The obsession over weight... and cap material in a guitar... and the switch tip color....
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The hype machine is so strong its got people thinking the type of glue, formulation of plastic, coating on wire, or the type of dye used make a difference. It's become agressively silly.
 
Back to the topic at hand. I think speaking in general terms a guitar with a heavier weight should have a little more sustain and or projection.... But it's not a rule or a law or anything, it's just a guiding factor that some people take way too far. .... Mostly because they think they can and want to sound like a know it all.

Truthfully, I don't even use sustain very often!

My LPs are middle of the road weight wise. They sound great because of my setup and pickups...not because of how much they weigh.
 
Headache said:
Back to the topic at hand. I think speaking in general terms a guitar with a heavier weight should have a little more sustain and or projection.... But it's not a rule or a law or anything, it's just a guiding factor that some people take way too far. .... Mostly because they think they can and want to sound like a know it all.

Truthfully, I don't even use sustain very often!

My LPs are middle of the road weight wise. They sound great because of my setup and pickups...not because of how much they weigh.
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Here Here I am a firm believer in that
 
I was a believer that the thicker the wood the better the sustain, but kinda got shocked when trying out a 95 LP Studio vs a 96 SG Standard and the SG sustained as long as the LP. So that theory got blown to pieces for me. Truthfully now? I don't think any of it matters. I think sometimes it's luck of the draw on how a guitar sounds when talking about a stock guitar. Hell, the same SG I'm talking about sounds different than mine and they are the same exact year and model of each other.

Obviously, modding it yourself changes things depending on what you do to it. But to address the issue simply? I don't think weight or thickness matters at all unless we're talking comfortablity.
Personally, Im not a fan of featherweight guitars nor am I fan of boat anchors, something in the middle for me. Again, just my own preferences. Kinda why I picked the Explorer I did because it's slightly smaller and lighter than the usual ones, though an untrained eye wouldn't spot it unless you sat it down beside something like a '76 Explorer model
 
Clockworkmike said:
I was a believer that the thicker the wood the better the sustain, but kinda got shocked when trying out a 95 LP Studio vs a 96 SG Standard and the SG sustained as long as the LP. So that theory got blown to pieces for me. Truthfully now? I don't think any of it matters. I think sometimes it's luck of the draw on how a guitar sounds when talking about a stock guitar. Hell, the same SG I'm talking about sounds different than mine and they are the same exact year and model of each other.

Obviously, modding it yourself changes things depending on what you do to it. But to address the issue simply? I don't think weight or thickness matters at all unless we're talking comfortablity.
Personally, Im not a fan of featherweight guitars nor am I fan of boat anchors, something in the middle for me. Again, just my own preferences. Kinda why I picked the Explorer I did because it's slightly smaller and lighter than the usual ones, though an untrained eye wouldn't spot it unless you sat it down beside something like a '76 Explorer model
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My own experience with weight isn't really focused on sustain but on the "EQ" of the guitar (All of my Les Pauls will sustain just as long as I could ever want them to). What I hear in the lighter ones is a slightly honky midrange and looser low end compared to the heavy ones, which to my ears are more even-sounding across all strings and have a tighter low end and better attack overall. Punchier, I guess you could say.
 
gball said:
My own experience with weight isn't really focused on sustain but on the "EQ" of the guitar (All of my Les Pauls will sustain just as long as I could ever want them to). What I hear in the lighter ones is a slightly honky midrange and looser low end compared to the heavy ones, which to my ears are more even-sounding across all strings and have a tighter low end and better attack overall. Punchier, I guess you could say.
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Why it's important to play them first. They're all very different. Sometimes you hit it big with something that rings like a bell, and sometimes it sounds like a rock hitting the dirt.
 
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