NVSGJrD!

At first I was going to suggest to just turn down the input signal, because I have a RØDE Stereo Videomic (SVM) On-camera Condenser Microphone, and I had no problem recording unclipped audio.

But, in light of my recent education, I'm understanding what a mic's maximum SPL means. In fact , My RØDE SVM has a max SPL of 137 dBs... Huge difference!
 
syscokid said:
At first I was going to suggest to just turn down the input signal, because I have a RØDE Stereo Videomic (SVM) On-camera Condenser Microphone, and I had no problem recording unclipped audio.

But, in light of my recent education, I'm understanding what a mic's maximum SPL means. In fact , My RØDE SVM has a max SPL of 137 dBs... Huge difference!
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Yep....that’s a sizable difference there. That mic can probably handle some loud!
They must be expecting lots of people recording a jet plane takeoff or three.
 
I removed the Vibrola on the Jr. yesterday. I never really use it, and quite frankly I think the guitar looks better without it, even with the three screw holes showing. The short Vibrolas were never as aesthetically pleasing as the long Lyre ones! Here it is posing together with the Skylark; the class of 1965. (It was quite dark when the photo was taken, so it looks like the picture is from '65 as well...)
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Mr Grumpy said:
Also, how has the sound changed?
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That's a good question. The bridge and its posts are now under a different direction of stress. I've never heard of this happening, but I would pay attention to any changes in intonation and movement of the bridge posts.

And don't spill any beer in those open holes... :p
 
Mr Grumpy said:
Looks much better to my eyes.

Also, how has the sound changed?
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I haven't played it that much plugged since the change, but truth be told, I can't say I noticed anything, really. There might be a change, but without being able to switch back and forth while playing, I can't tell. Frankly, the biggest difference is the feel when resting the palm of my hand on the bridge while playing...
 
Gahr said:
I removed the Vibrola on the Jr. yesterday. I never really use it, and quite frankly I think the guitar looks better without it, even with the three screw holes showing. The short Vibrolas were never as aesthetically pleasing as the long Lyre ones! Here it is posing together with the Skylark; the class of 1965. (It was quite dark when the photo was taken, so it looks like the picture is from '65 as well...)
AwyAT3T.jpg
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It was lovely before, but now it is just "right", to me anyway.
Cant listen to sound clips at work, but I will get to them.
 
Gahr said:
So, when do we get the big disclosure?:D
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The big disclosure? Ha ha... I hope you didn't loose any sleep over it!

I haven't heard from @JohnnyGoo yet. But this is what I'm currently obsessing over: Your '65 SG Junior and one of Goo's PGK Juniors are both set up with Dogear P90s. My PGK Junior was designed for a Dogear, but I installed a Soapbar instead. When I adjusted the height of the Soapbar to where I like it, which is pretty close to the strings, I noticed that it really sticks out. When I look at pics of yours or any other vintage Juniors, the height of the Dogears seems to be half of what my Soapbar looks like.

You've stated that the distance between your Junior's body and the low E string at the leading edge of the bridge is about 17mm (I hope you were measuring at the bottom of the string). My Junior measures at 18.5mm, or .73". Not a whole lot of difference, right?

The string action on mine is low at 3/64"; low E @ 12th fret. Pickup height from the low E to the pole piece is 1/16". What's the pickup distance on yours?

All this leads me to believe that neck angle on my PGK Junior is a bit steeper than a vintage Junior. I wish it wasn't. What can I do about it? Nothing... unless I want to reset the neck. That ain't going to happen. I was wondering if Goo's PGK Junior has the same neck angle as mine... :hmmm:

EDIT: Distance between bottom of low E and pole piece is 1/8". High E is 1/16".
 
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The big disclosure? Ha ha... I hope you didn't loose any sleep over it!

I haven't heard from @JohnnyGoo yet. But this is what I'm currently obsessing over: Your '65 SG Junior and one of Goo's PGK Juniors are both set up with Dogear P90s. My PGK Junior was designed for a Dogear, but I installed a Soapbar instead. When I adjusted the height of the Soapbar to where I like it, which is pretty close to the strings, I noticed that it really sticks out. When I look at pics of yours or any other vintage Juniors, the height of the Dogears seems to be half of what my Soapbar looks like.

You've stated that the distance between your Junior's body and the low E string at the leading edge of the bridge is about 17mm (I hope you were measuring at the bottom of the string). My Junior measures at 18.5mm, or .73". Not a whole lot of difference, right?

The string action on mine is low at 3/64"; low E @ 12th fret. Pickup height from the low E to the pole piece is 1/16". What's the pickup distance on yours?

All this leads me to believe that neck angle on my PGK Junior is a bit steeper than a vintage Junior. I wish it wasn't. What can I do about it? Nothing... unless I want to reset the neck. That ain't going to happen. I was wondering if Goo's PGK Junior has the same neck angle as mine... :hmmm:
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the string height over the low E pole piece is roughly 4 mm (.16"). The distance from the body to the string at the bridge actually seems to be about 16.5 mm (.65"), not 17 mm.
 
Gahr said:
the string height over the low E pole piece is roughly 4 mm (.16"). The distance from the body to the string at the bridge actually seems to be about 16.5 mm (.65"), not 17 mm.
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Thanks again!​

Low E to pole piece is 1/8" (3.2mm), and not 1/16". I have not figured out the degrees of the neck angle yet. I wish the bridge was 2 or 3mm lower.

This is what I'm looking at:

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That to me is a huge difference. Thanks for posting that pic.
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I don't know exactly why Gibson SG juniors are so good, but I suspect that a large part of it is getting the neck angle just right (with the limited or non adjustment on the tailpiece, it's vital).

You have a much steeper angle from the tailpiece over the puppy onto the neck, so that must affect playability and string vibration over the pickup (hence sound).
 
Mr Grumpy said:
I don't know exactly why Gibson SG juniors are so good, but I suspect that a large part of it is getting the neck angle just right (with the limited or non adjustment on the tailpiece, it's vital).
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I originally thought that I would never replace the stock fixed bridge on my PT SG. But I recently just did:
Schroeder Bridge for my P.T. SG

Mr Grumpy said:
You have a much steeper angle from the tailpiece over the puppy onto the neck, so that must affect playability and string vibration over the pickup (hence sound).
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Fortunately, playability remains as a very comfortable affair. What got me curious about the neck angle of my Junior compared to other Juniors, is that I was contemplating switching from a soapbar style to a dogear style. But doing so would have doubled the distance from the pickup to the strings with no reasonable way to adjust the pup. Loss of output and softening of the high end would ensue.
 
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