NGD: Epi v Gibson...

Like Hackmaster said: Great review! You're always very thorough and honest with your reviews.

I think I would have been one of those who would have sent it back. New guitar should not have been shipped in that condition, but you stuck with it and basically rescued it. Congrats on the guitar, and congrats on a job well done... :cheers:
 
My latest experience with Taiwan not good ordered 100 MOV'S only 4 were good I was fixing heat pumps made in China
I have never owned a Pacific Rim guitar nor will I. I love the pre Gibson Epiphone the 1953 has the best neck ever made
the other Epiphone is a 1966 made by Gibson it's OK but nothing like the 1953 and I paid $400.00 USD each for both of them.

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Like Hackmaster said: Great review! You're always very thorough and honest with your reviews.

I think I would have been one of those who would have sent it back. New guitar should not have been shipped in that condition, but you stuck with it and basically rescued it. Congrats on the guitar, and congrats on a job well done... :cheers:

Thanks. The guitar has such a good neck and feels so nice to play that I didn't want to send it back. Excluding my SG jnr, this is just about the most comfortable neck and well finished fretboard/frets that I've played - that seems to be such a significant factor in playing enjoyment/time spent picking up the guitar.

That Epiphone looks like an awesome guitar. The P-90 pick ups are a real bonus for that classic rock vibe. Congrats on a fine purchase.

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Yeah, P90s are my favourite pickups; some great single coils and humbuckers out there too, but P90s are so easy to get good punk and rock sounds from (and blues).
 
Nice score! I hope that you are able to bring it to your expectations for playability.
Are the pickups RWRP(noise canceling I’m middle position with volumes matched)?

A resounding NO - quite noisy when the amp gain comes on...

I need to get a strap now, got used to the leather Gibson one, so I might look for one of those (or an Epi one) on the cheap.
 
That really is atrocious the way they sent that to you.

One reason why the Epiphone was my last choice after the Cort and the Squier.

So, I was having to put too much gain and volume on the amp to get sounds I wanted from the bridge pickup... Rather than the initial bodge of just screwing it in, I thought I'd go a bit further and get it right, and the issue wasn't hard to find:

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Soooooo, I took one out of the neck pickup (it was the nice longer size) and replaced it with the shorter screw (which was long enough to hold the neck pickup where I wanted it). The longer pickup screw obviously worked much better in the bridge pickup which needs more travel... Would have been nice if Epiphone had put the correct screws in. No biggie though - just about within my tiny 'technical' skillset.

Now the pickups are at a height I like and sound good at the amp settings I wanna use:

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I'm not really interested in measurements, the guitar plays and feels as I like, but I put the measure there just so folks can see.

The only 'measurement' I do with a setup is to check a 1.0 standard pick is held by the lowE string on the first three frets when the guitar is angled into playing position; just helps me to know the nut is ok and thus I should be able to turn the truss rod to get the neck low without buzz then bring the bridge down until the first hint of buzz begins.

The neck and frets on this guitar are surprisingly good. As long as the tuner holds up (which it has so far) then it's all golden.'

I also contacted the shop to let them know, they said sorry and they'd change it for me or fix it, but I told them not to bother because I'm not sure I'll find the same model that needs less work and has a great neck/frets.
 
Congrats!
I like those set neck versions a lot.
Glad you got it sorted.

get that bridge pickup real close to the strings and come back a little if it sounds like built in tremolo effect - a little may be ok.

That is where P90's come to life.

On one of my 2-P90 guitars I had to add a small spacer in the bridge cavity to get it higher, and chisel out a channel in the neck cavity to allow the pole screws to clear to get the neck pu down low enough.
 
get that bridge pickup real close to the strings and come back a little if it sounds like built in tremolo effect - a little may be ok.

That is where P90's come to life.

I know you're right, and my junior does have the P90 very close to the strings; sounds amazing. But, there are two issues with that on the Epiphone: 1) The screws are not long enough to get the pickup any higher (and the bridge can't come down any lower either; the truss rod is maxed out which is rather worrying...); Epiphone seem to have unusual pickups when compared to Gibson insomuchas they have more output (too much?) and can easily sound harsh and compressed - thus, Epiphone pickups sound good a bit further away from the strings than a Gibson pickup would, imho - if you watch the Anderton videos, the Lee fella often makes a similar point about Epiphone pickups - they just sound a bit nasty at times in a way a Gibson/Lollar/Bare Knuckle wouldn't, and a solution is to have the pickups a bit lower.

At the current heights, the Epiphone pickups sound sweet and have some oomph that a P90 should have - in the punky space, would drive a fuzz pedal perfectly (the junior doesn't need a fuzz pedal, it can drive an amp there by itself). They do lack the snarl of the junior (and that is at least in part due to the pickup height, exactly as you said), but I have the junior when I want that, so the guitars are differently voiced which suits me fine.

So, in a long-winded way, I'm kinda saying that I know you're right, but on this guitar with these pickups with the jnr in my arsenal, the pickups will probably stay at their current heights.

To big up this little Epi again, as a bit of a Gibson fanboy who isn't fond of the Epiphone brand much, this little Yellow Monster gets you a fair amount of Gibson-ness for $420. I've always been of the opinion that a low end Gibson LP is far better than a high end Epiphone LP (although I accept other folks with the opposite opinion may well be right for them), but I was thinking yesterday if I'd prefer this guitar or a Gibson double cut tribute special which is double the price - I'd have to try the Gibson out for sure, but even at the same money I might go for this Epiphone (now I'm being silly...) because it looks and feels right; frankly, I'm surprised that an Epiphone can play this well - the neck is very good.
 
Oy gevalt! Different length screws? You're lucky that the main body and neck of the guitar are so good. I think the final assembly (including the pickups) must have been done on a Friday afternoon just before a stop-work union meeting!
 
My experience of P-90s is that they generally sound pretty good, even cheap ones.

I remembered loaning out my Bare Knuckle P90 Nantucket (neck) to a work colleague; he wasn't currently using it, so I got it back today. It's 7.1k output and sounds really nice. There's nothing wrong with the P90 in there, but I'm thinking that as I have the Nantucket sitting around doing nothing, I might as well put it in. Also, I'm negotiating with the shop I got the guitar from about some compensation - they have a pretty rare Peter Florance Voodoo P90 (bridge), new, which I might be able to get from them at a very good price (under $100) - it's about 9.8k, and gets great reviews.

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(The one they have is the bridge, it's their last one in stock - the picture above is just a sample picture.)

The Epiphone P90s are fine, the neck is certainly nicer than the bridge, but I might as well put these in...

While I'm at it, would you suggest any simple cap changes? I don't wanna gut the electronics as they all work fine at the moment. The controls and switches also work fine, so I wanna leave them for the moment. I could imagine picking up a Gotoh bridge/tailpiece set at some point because I know these improve Epis. I think this guitar is a keeper, so I don't mind small upgrades although I'm a bit worried it'll sound as good as (or better, God forbid) than the Gibson SG when the new puppies are in).

Also the nut is kind of meant to look like a Gibson deep nut but it isn't. I fitted the short straight style switch with a deep nut.

I've found a great local guitar tech, not expensive. I found in the past that changing an Epi nut to a graphtec improves the tone and sustain. Again, there's nothing wrong with the current nut (other than looking like a horrible bit of plastic), but I'm tempted to put in either a graphtec or a bone nut. Any suggestions?
 
OK now, we are talking about the new P90 EPI. But I digress.
I have to ask, " what is that weird Gibson logo on the SG?" the Letters are definitely not what I am used to.

That's the 2018 logo for the LP and SG juniors... They also say : only a Gibson is good enough, on the back of the head stock. I think these are 1920s Gibson 'correct' ...
 
UMM I am waiting,,,,,,,,,,,,, Grumpy Betty. WHY do the letters look weird?
My biased theory is that the 2018 junior was soooooo good that they had to somehow differentiate them from the custom shop guitars and they did that by non period correct signage and non strip tuners.
 
My latest experience with Taiwan not good ordered 100 MOV'S only 4 were good I was fixing heat pumps made in China
I have never owned a Pacific Rim guitar nor will I. I love the pre Gibson Epiphone the 1953 has the best neck ever made
the other Epiphone is a 1966 made by Gibson it's OK but nothing like the 1953 and I paid $400.00 USD each for both of them.

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How do the controls work on the 3 pick up Epi? That is one sweet looking guitar!


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I have a Russian NOS PETP poly cap in mine, 0.033uf, I don't think they are very expensive.

For example:

100x 0.33uF 63V 10% PETP Capacitors K73-17 0,33uF Lot of 100pcs #705 | eBay

Enough to last you several lifetimes! I don't know if these are the exact type, I'd have to open the back of my Junior to check

Thanks, Dave; might as well get that done while I'm doing a few bits and pieces...

Now, I'm wondering if I'm doing the tuners an injustice. Upon further inspection, and just getting used to the guitar, I think the D-string (and the G-string from time to time) are binding in the nut. I now reckon that a new nut (I'll try to get a bone nut put in, but will make do with a graphtec) may solve all then the guitar will be in great shape. So, yes a few mods coming up then I will do another mini-review - maybe on a NAD thread.

Now I'm off to look for a nickel Gotoh bridge and tailpiece - don't much like Chrome.
 
Holding off on the bridge and tailpiece - I have the ones that came with my Cort somewhere in a box - I changed them with a Tonepros set, and noticed absolutely no difference - pretty sure the originals on teh Cort were unmarked Gotoh; high quality, so they'll do the job nicely if I can find them...

Order up some Ukrainian caps because they look nice. :) Not expensive, $10 for 4 - worth it for the looks, similar to the stuff Dave suggested, but slightly more tonal space because I noticed not much tonal difference with the current knobs (not bad, but would like a bit more sweep), so if the cpas don't do it then I'll now we need pots at some point.
 
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Wait until I've had a chance to check the specs against the one I have. He lists two different ones that look similar. I'll try to get back to you with more info in 24 hours
 
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