New guy with my first Les Paul


Yes. I find the low end to be too mushy am imprecise, they don't respond to dynamics quickly enough, and although I use Mesa amps so have all the gain in the world at my fingertips, I prefer the way a high-output pickup hits the front end of an amp. I can back off the guitar volume to get "classic" tones using a high output pickup but never get a PAF style to sound the way I want.
 
Yes. I find the low end to be too mushy am imprecise, they don't respond to dynamics quickly enough, and although I use Mesa amps so have all the gain in the world at my fingertips, I prefer the way a high-output pickup hits the front end of an amp. I can back off the guitar volume to get "classic" tones using a high output pickup but never get a PAF style to sound the way I want.
Same boat. Some of the pickups are just underwhelming, kinda anemic. I put an SD Distortion in one of the Godin and now the pinch harmonics scream out. Smooth and ballsy. It was very dull and flat before.
I too am a higher gain guy tho so I prefer hotter pickups over the old ones for classic rock.
 
Back in the late 70’s, we were removing stock pickups to get better gainer replacements, dimarzio SD, and whomever else made any thing that was hotter than what we had.
I fell for the hype back then. Guitar Player magazine made it seem like Norlin pickups were garbage. Not satisfied with the "lowly" original 1973 Gibson T-Top pickups, I installed the original DiMarzio PAF in the neck and bridge in 1978. I was a dumb 17 years old. I saved the originals.

Fast forward to 2017 - I reinstalled the T-Tops out of curiosity and what did I find? The T-Tops had more clarity and less mud than the DiMarzios. The current DiMarzio PAFs are different than the originals.

In 2019 I had the rare privilege to play an actual 1959 Standard and happened to have my T-Topped Lester with me at a guitar show. I was able to compare them side by side. Much to my surprise, the T-Tops were fairly close to the real PAFs in overall tone.

The real deal had a certain bell like clarity to them, even the neck pickup. Since I did not have the $120+ for the '59 I sought out good sounding PAF clones and settled on the ReWinds after speaking with the builder / winder. A long story. His pickups sound an awful lot like the '59 I had played, with that bell like clarity and all. For the first time since I have had the Lester, I love the neck pickup.

The '59 I played. Click image for full resolution:

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Hell im still using a early 70s DiMarzio SuperD in my Epi Custom.It sounds lovely.
The word in Guitar Player back then was the stronger SD magnets might be pulling on the strings, reducing sustain. That turned out to be false.

I have never had the opportunity to play high output humbuckers in any of the amps I have had.

The Lester with DiMarzios. I also thought the creme bobbins "looked cool".

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You know, I was going to buy a set of these when it appeared they were a limited-edition, for the investment. Now that they are just a regular item available any time it's a big no thanks. $1k for a set of "PAF" style pickups is just insulting unless you can expect a reasonable return on the investment.

Jeez, I never bought a piece of gear thinking it was an investment. :unsure: Now, Nvidia stock, that’s another story ! :dood:
 
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Nice looking LP, my secret to the mud in the neck , is to just lower the volume, but most of my playing is on the bridge side..
I do this with all of my Gibsons.
I usually keep my volume around 7 or 8 and my amp loud so I get more of a range in tones and dynamics. I've got my neck pickup flush with the mounting ring and it sounds great. Just a matter of getting used to it. It took a lot longer to dial in my tele. I'm loving the Les Paul. Getting beautiful cleans with the neck and middle position, but I have to admit it does tend to draw me towards the dirt. It's a remarkable guitar for the money. If I spent twice as much for a guitar that sounded this good I'd still think it was great.
 
I usually keep my volume around 7 or 8 and my amp loud so I get more of a range in tones and dynamics. I've got my neck pickup flush with the mounting ring and it sounds great. Just a matter of getting used to it. It took a lot longer to dial in my tele. I'm loving the Les Paul. Getting beautiful cleans with the neck and middle position, but I have to admit it does tend to draw me towards the dirt. It's a remarkable guitar for the money. If I spent twice as much for a guitar that sounded this good I'd still think it was great.
That’s all that matters.
 
I've been on a pickup swapping spree this week going thru my stash and swapping them one at a time in my LPs. I'm just alligator clipping them to test them. I'm actually on a mission to try to make my Traditional soundas good as my Standard does for high gain stuff, but I don't think it has it in it.

What I've found is that my Standard loves hot pickups, but my Traditional not so much. The same pickups that sound amazing in my Standard don't sound as good in my Traditional, and vice versa with the PAFs. I'm really bummed because I'm wanting to sell my Standard, I've fallen out of love with it only because of the thin neck, but I don't have another guitar that sounds anywhere near as good as it does for high gain and I don't think I ever have. It's driving be nuts!
 
I would buy ReWinds if they were less .
If the claims by Mojotone are accurate, I do not see why these would not sound authentic enough. The recipe of a good clone is not difficult or secret.

 
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Man, this is so true. For starters, I don't buy into the snake oil about PAFs. They sound...OK. Nothing special, and modern takes on the old ones sound just as good as the originals, if you are even going for that sound, which I most decidedly am not. I like modern sounding, high output pickups, usually with ceramic mags. I have plenty of low-cost options.



You know, I was going to buy a set of these when it appeared they were a limited-edition, for the investment. Now that they are just a regular item available any time it's a big no thanks. $1k for a set of "PAF" style pickups is just insulting unless you can expect a reasonable return on the investment.
I have a set of Seymour’s antiquities I’ll sell ya. 500$ ? :ROFLMAO:
 
Balancing the middle position on an LP is a whole universe to explore.
Fun, but it'll take some getting used to for a lifelong Fender player.

Strat and LP are so fundamentally different, they want very different things from an amp.
Dialing in a rig so it sounds great with both is an art in itself.
That's been dealt with. I have one amp I use for the Les Paul and another one for my single coils. Going from a tele to a Les Paul with the same amp was so weird I'd lose perspective after 10 minutes and nothing sounded right.
 
Vintage style humbuckers are a favorite subject for me. I post on a number of forums and sometimes my aging brain forgets what I've shared where.
So please forgive me if I might've already posted some or all of these same opinions hereabouts...

IMO pickup swapping is as much about matching the personality of each individual guitar as it is about the quality of the pickups.
In the right axe, cheap pickups can sound great. And even expensive pickups won't necessarily sound good if they're in the wrong one.
It's seldom about which pickup is best, always about which pickup is best a for a particular guitar and player.

That said, there is something special and different about a really good PAF type humbucker.

(Of course, original PAFs are all over the place - no two exactly alike. Workers wound bobbins until they "looked full," then toss them in a box. Then the coils got paired randomly to make pickups. Things only became predictable when they switched to winding machines with turn counters; that's why the Pat # pickups - and their descendant, the T-top - are more consistent. Modern PAF-inspired models all target certain spots across a wide spectrum. Some are patterned after the chimier, airier light/asymmetric winds. Others resemble the sweeter symmetrical coils, and some reflect the accidental hotter winds. Today we have pretty much the whole range of personalities.)

Some of the boutique makers work at duplicating vintage materials & components as closely as possible: Tom Holmes and Mojotone are in this category.
Others are master winders; it's about the coils themselves, the wind pattern/scatter and coil strength/offset: Rewind and Zhangbucker are good examples.
With some it's literally about the wire itself. PRS' 00/00 series use wire made with a vintage extruder, and some of the Wizz PAFs use actual 1950s NOS wire.

Anyway, IMO some of the pricier 'unicorn dust' PAF types really do have something special going on. I'm lucky enough to own a number of these.
The PRS 57/08s have a vintage sepiatone vibe that evokes smoky oldtime clubs; they make me want to drink whiskey and play the blues til dawn.

A number of the Zhangbuckers I have are 'Pure Handwound,' actually hand-wrapped, rather than being hand-fed onto a spinning bobbin. I feel it makes a real difference: all of them have extraordinary responsiveness (to nuances of playing & to the guitar's volume knob) and also clarity (in the sense of both open/airy highs & remarkable definition across strings within chords). The thing is, even the stock Zhangbucker models are outstanding.

I have five Rewind PAFs and they're quite remarkable too, responsive and very vintagey. They do remind me of the best originals. A couple of mine were wound specifically for me; they're perfect for what I wanted. James has a reputation as an expert at winding to produce a desired result and he literally wrote the book on PAFs (well, okay, he co-wrote it). And once again, even standard Rewinds like the Creme Brulee have something very special going on.

There's a certain subtle yet undeniable magic in the most exceptional boutique PAFs. It isn't merely a matter of clarity, or even character.
It's that they seem to help a guitar come alive, and make it more expressive than it was before.
That's inspiring on a deeper level than the ordinary fun that usually comes with the novelty of pickup swaps.

Again, even having a truly great pickup isn't any guarantee of great synergy with every guitar.
But I do think the best of them are forgiving enough to suit many different guitars well.
IMO it'd take a pretty drastic mismatch to make some of 'em sound bad.

Even some of the less pricey production humbuckers are more forgiving than others.
Like the Duncan 59 - it isn't period accurate or especially vintagey in character.
But IME it works well just about anywhere. And it isn't expensive.
 
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