Musical Styles - How Influences Can Change You:

Inspector #20

Ambassador of Tone
Fallen Star
Country flag
As a kid, in a good Christian home, I was forbidden from listening to rock music. I would keep cassettes hidden and play them only when my folks were gone.

I was encouraged to play in my Mom's band and it seemed like country was seemingly the predominant genre in the Central California farm country where I grew up.

I became resentful that my own musical desires were somewhat hampered, yet I was encouraged to play country...and because that's what earned me a living, I did it.

In secret, I was listening to Mountain, Ram-Jam, Black Sabbath, and Scorpions and by night I was playing in hard-core country bars, many of which were in remote locations.

Somehow, I feel like my own musical influences got somehow infused with a country flair that I've never really liked. This is probably why I seldom write original material for myself.

If I co-write within a group, I can seemingly come up with some very complex arrangements, but writing on my own, everything takes on a "swamp rock" kind of tone.

Back a few years ago, I lost a home (my first purchase) to foreclosure in the crash of 2008. A few years later, I received a check from Wells Fargo for $113.00, as part of a class action settlement for unfair lending.

I began to lament over this and became angry how these banks could steal people's homes and sumy buy their way out of it.

I also became frustrated with how the laws only seem to protect those who do wrong.

These frustrations, along with increasing government encroachment on our freedoms, prompted me to write a song in 2015 called 'Revolution. '

The song is basically a warning to corrupt politicians, law enforcement, banks and the media, that if you keep pushing the American people, you will end up with a domestic revolt.

Keep in mind that this was written long before our current administration and all the things that have made recent headlines.

I'm presenting it as a musical snapshot into how I write and arrange, despite being deeply submerged in hard rock and metal.

I'm not sure what you would call this particular style, but I post it in hopes that we can dissect it and maybe even discuss how your own style has been either positively or negatively impacted by what you grew up listening to.

Listen to REVOLUTION - DEMO ℗ 2020 BMI by Von Herndon on #SoundCloud
 
For my second installment, I present an original song I wrote in 2019 following being hospitalized and put on morphine for pain. This song was actually hummed into a digital recorder in the hospital.

The premise of the song is the user talking to the drug.

I recorded the rhythm guitars, after my release, while still on pain meds and kind of in a foggy state. I decided not to re-record these tracks and instead leave them raw and unedited.

I later wrote and played the bass lines, sang the lead vocals, and hired a session drummer friend to compose and perform the drum tracks.

Lead guitars were laid down in two takes. The first take was what we call a "writing pass," in that I played along to the track and wrote the solos on the fly.

The second take was recorded in one pass and is what you actually hear on the recording. A couple of tremolo dives were added later.

Here it is...good or bad.

Listen to Heroine - Angel In Black by Von Herndon on #SoundCloud
 
Well there is some truth in the words of that song. Well done!!! Growing up in a small northern ontario town in Canada of a 1,000, where everybody knew each other. Was raised in a middle class home. I think at that time we had 2 radio stations within 40 miles from our town. People in the town were fantastic! everyone was friendly, thoughtful, just a great place to live and grow up. Growing up there was a very positive experience for me. I grew up in early 60s listening to Beatles, Animals, Stones, Yardbirds etc.

So I have carried pretty much of my life, in a positive manner. I know what goes on in this World, there are things I see and read about things that are negative , I don't like what i see many times, but there is much of it I cannot change, don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that you are living in a negative way. I listened to the Beatles their music was up beat in early 60s I think that had a small impact on me in a positve way.

Today I listen to all kinds of music, but I am always drawn to up beat positive music, there is music that i just like the way it sounds, like the the Stones for instance, its not the words that i like at times, so much as i just like the music, if its got a good groove it gives me positivity. I don't like negative music, to me that s a downer. I have always said misery likes company. Living in that small Ontario town was the most positve impact in my life ever! And it carries on with me today.
 
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Well there is some truth in the words of that song. Well done!!! Growing up in a small northern ontario town in Canada of a 1,000, where everybody knew each other. Was raised in a middle class home. I think at that time we had 2 radio stations within 40 miles from our town. People in the town were fantastic! everyone was friendly, thoughtful, just a great place to live and grow up. Growing up there was a very positive experience for me. I grew up in early 60s listening to Beatles, Animals, Stones, Yardbirds etc.

So I have carried pretty much of my life, in a positive manner. I know what goes on in this World, there are things I see and read about things that are negative , I don't like what i see many times, but there is much of it I cannot change, don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that you are living in a negative way. I listened to the Beatles their music was up beat in early 60s I think that had a small impact on me in a positve way.

Today I listen to all kinds of music, but I am always drawn to up beat positive music, there is music that i just like the way it sounds, like the the Stones for instance, its not the words that i like at times, so much as i just like the music, if its got a good groove it gives me positivity. I don't like negative music, to me that s a downer. I have always said misery likes company. Living in that small Ontario town was the most positve impact in my life ever! And it carries on with me today.
Listen to thrash all will be good…

Fact!
 
My formative years were much like yours Norm. Small town. Western Illinois. Population around 3500 at the time. While I identify myself as a child of the 70s, fact is more a child of late 60s early 70s. Started HS in 1968. Yes. Beatles and Stones…. But neither was ever one of my bands. Don’t have a Beatles, Stones or Zep album in my collection.

Jr. High I started band playing trombone. As did both my boys and now my eldest grand daughter also plays trombone. Runs in the family. Consequently, my taste and influences in music is quite varied. Classical. Big band. Rock. Christian. I will listen to country if someone else has it on. I will not listen to Rap or Hip Hop. I’m happy someone like it because that’s what music is about. We don’t all have to like the same stuff and that’s okay.

I did early on gravitate to the likes of Sabbath. Deep Purple. Alice. And others like them. And yes. CSN and Y….. especially Y. Really enjoy acoustic, so when MTV started doing their Unplugged series I was like…. “Awesome!!!”

In the last 20 years or so figured out AC/DC, KISS, Metallica, Rush and oddly Jimmy Buffett are pretty decent as well.
 
Everything that goes into your earholes influences you somehow, directly or subliminally, positively or negatively. You can't control it. The music you make as a musician is an amalgam of all of that.

The best thing I ever did from an influence standpoint was start listening to electronic music - it really opened my mind to different ways of interpreting the incorporation of guitar into music and opened the door to more atmospheric playing and the considered use of effects. The worst thing I ever did was start listening to a lot of blues in my 20's - too much of that crept into my style and it's really not something I want there because, at least to me, it's the most predictable and lazy thing to play (I know I'll get flamed for that one!). I've been striving for years to remove the blues influence from my playing.
 
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Jeez I had a whole thing typed up but then decided "ah, screw it" lol


I have noticed that the influences on my playing over the years has evolved quite a bit. I have a much more open mind when it comes to music than I used to. It has evolved, matured even. And I hope it continues to do so.

Today, I have a strong appreciation for excellent songcraft. There's a good riff, or drum beat, or bass line, or hook under every rock, but that's all they are until they find a place within a song.

Influences can come from far and wide. Doesn't have to be the same instrument, or even music at all.
 
Great stories here, I think you can hear most of my influences in everything I play, and unlike @gball the blues fractions didn’t come about until late in my 50’s. But it seems it is gradually becoming more pronounced.
Either way I am still enjoying the journey..
Cheers
 
Exactly!!!!

I'm trying to minimize those influences I don't like....
I just realized one of my bigger influences was Alex Skolnik from the 80's thrash band Testament. Not because I was into his music, but because as a teen it was shocking to me that he left the band to explore jazz. Later he did a stint in the Trans Siberian Orchestra. The reason he gave for leaving Testament was because he didn't want to be limited as a musician or pigeonholed. That stuck with me and I expanded my horizons.

Never really thought about it 'till now.

THANKS ALEX!!!
 
Well there is some truth in the words of that song. Well done!!! Growing up in a small northern ontario town in Canada of a 1,000, where everybody knew each other. Was raised in a middle class home. I think at that time we had 2 radio stations within 40 miles from our town. People in the town were fantastic! everyone was friendly, thoughtful, just a great place to live and grow up. Growing up there was a very positive experience for me. I grew up in early 60s listening to Beatles, Animals, Stones, Yardbirds etc.

So I have carried pretty much of my life, in a positive manner. I know what goes on in this World, there are things I see and read about things that are negative , I don't like what i see many times, but there is much of it I cannot change, don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that you are living in a negative way. I listened to the Beatles their music was up beat in early 60s I think that had a small impact on me in a positve way.

Today I listen to all kinds of music, but I am always drawn to up beat positive music, there is music that i just like the way it sounds, like the the Stones for instance, its not the words that i like at times, so much as i just like the music, if its got a good groove it gives me positivity. I don't like negative music, to me that s a downer. I have always said misery likes company. Living in that small Ontario town was the most positve impact in my life ever! And it carries on with me today.

I know very little ( relatively) about Canada except it has Provinces, Same kind of over reaching corrupt politicians, and it gets cold up there.
BUT I am glad that Norm grew up in an area that had positive vibes, positive influences and shaped the thoughtful man we know.

I have hinted around at some of the rough sides of my growing up, alcoholism, mental illness, dysfunction, abuse to name a few trials that go as far back as my grandparent's, aunts and uncles, dad and on to us kids and mom. I will add that on some sides/members of our biological and even step dad/bro's n sisters, Love, determination, and resolve kept the worst of the crap at bay and won out in the end. Along with familial love came love of sports for me and mom, but also music for mom, sis and me. Unlike Robert, no music was forbidden or disliked, except Opera ( Disco and Rap did not exist yet)

SO, as we grew up, bands like the Jackson 5 fit right alongside Deep Purple, Tom Jones hung in there with BTO or Grand Funk, and eventually for sis and I, we would find our way to the greats such as Sabbath, Zep, Aerosmith, Rush, Cooper, Nuge, BOC and a hundred other bands. I guess in some ways, Music to me was like a Needle full of Heroin is to a junkie.

As I began relaxing to TTR, I fired up some youtube clips I posted elsewhere for WHY SG's are great. Then I found myself re-drugging myself with this non stop masterpiece song after masterpiece song album. The Mighty Zep did not disappoint, yet again. The styles that hooked me for life can be found on wax from Zep, The WHo and all the bands above, These are where it is for my foundation in my youth and in into my future as I approach my 7th decade on this ball.

Thank you Jimmy, John, John Paul, and Robert.

 
Thank you for sharing and being an open book. That song "Revolution" is great! the lyrics are spot on, you told your story well and it relates to most of us. 2008 put me out of business as well. I used to work for all the Dallas elite, rich and famous, even helped remodel Bush jr's office after he left the presidency. I rubbed elbows with all those "bankers" "pro athletes" etc. it's what kept me afloat but after 2008 even they started to hoard their money and hunker down, that is until they turned around and bought up all the properties with their bail out cash. What Wells Fargo did and recently got caught doing once again is nothing short of crimes against humanity. I think 2022 is our year, humanity globally woke up and is still waking up finally, some are still asleep and may never wake but the majority are fed up with all politicians, we are at a point now that is very volatile because the charade has been exposed and these criminals are no longer able to run the same rinse and repeat scams they have been running for generations, it's a time for a great awakening and you can see the panic in their eyes... Humanity is fed up... the scary thing is these people are hell bent on power and are willing to take us all out and thats what we are seeing at the moment a battle behind the scenes and the information war spreads they are losing their control Finally but like rabid dogs rapped in the corner we are in for some scary $#!^ for 2022 hopefully its a controlled demolition of them not us, only time will tell but it's hight time these criminals pay for their trespass.. Great song @Robert Herndon
Sadly, I do not see it the same, Stu.
I have never rubbed elbows with rich, never worked for too many millionaire types ( maybe a few fairly well to do) but no one really significantly uber rich.

I have however fell into the loss column as well. Low income and not making it fast enough leaves me essentially at 0 cash ever. I decided I would finally live life and enjoy a treat every so often, guitars, drums, amps. Then dig my way out as best I can. Sadly, just when stuff like gas and food got relatively affordable, NOW I go to the grocery and look at the prices and don't even try putting the simple things like lunch meat in my cart because I just can't justify spending $8 lb for Sliced Turkey. Or $10 a lb for Ham, Roast beast etc. I almost want to go hunting and fishing even if illegally, out of season etc in order to eat good food, " off the grid" because that is all I can afford. HELL< a friggen tenney azz can of Tuna that used to be $.79 is now $1.09. That is the last straw. Especially when my gallon of milk is $3.50 when it used to be as low as $1.65 at that same store a mere 2 years ago.
 
I think we all owe it to bands like this ...

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