Multi Area CA lockdown in effect at 11:59pm Dec 6,2020

Clockworkmike said:
Business wise, the small guys have been brutalized throughout this thing and its really sad watching places you love, shrivel up and wither away
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So So true, I am concerned about my local guitar shop and other small business. My eye glasses Gal is classified essential, and where I buy my shoes they are essential as well because they sell shoes that are Orthopedic. But my guitar guys are not considered essential or other small clothing or convenience stores etc.
 
Robert Herndon said:
I believe the Covid-19 pandemic is real, but I also believe we are not being told 100% truth.

From CDC website:

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From a recently pulled November 22, 2020 Newsletter by John Hopkins University:

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From the side panel of a box of surgical masks:

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Kind of difficult to sift through the volumes of B.S. to find the truth...
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A surgical mask does not protect directly against any virus. It does, however, prevent moisture droplets which are carriers of said viruses from being expelled. Also same moisture droplets from hitting face of another person. That's why they cover their butt on the label.
The moisture droplets can be from breathjng ( check out your breath in the winter if it gets cold enough where you live - that is the moisture in your breath condensing) speaking, singing etc. Masks most defjnitely have a value.
Viruses of this sort do not fly through the air waiting to find victims, they need a method of transmission.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
A surgical mask does not protect directly against any virus. It does, however, prevent moisture droplets which are carriers of said viruses from being expelled. Also same moisture droplets from hitting face of another person. That's why they cover their butt on the label.
The moisture droplets can be from breathjng ( check out your breath in the winter if it gets cold enough where you live - that is the moisture in your breath condensing) speaking, singing etc. Masks most defjnitely have a value.
Viruses of this sort do not fly through the air waiting to find victims, they need a method of transmission.
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Yeah it moves eerily similar to the common cold from sneezes, coughs, spittle from talking and mucus. Those are always a pain in the ass to control because unless you're a mute who can control their respiratory system at will in an occupied area, the mask is your only option
 
There is also an article actully referencing CDC figures that show some people are randomly taking figuees they find and posting on social media, in terms of death counts.
Personally anything I see on social mediia gets a huge doubt from me right off. The article can be found here but here is a summary from it. Kinda lenghty. It does refernce exactly where these figures come from as well.

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Firstly, the numbers listed from 2015 through 2018 are official, having been released by the CDC ( here , here , here , here ). However, the final numbers for 2019 have not yet been released, and it is unclear where the image creator took the 2,900,689 figure from. This is the same for the 2020 projection.

Meanwhile, the 2020 figure leading up to Nov. 16 is also an official figure released by the CDC (pdf here ) – but it is not yet an accurate representation of how many people have died in 2020. The table doesn’t begin until the week ending Feb. 1, 2020 and still has six weeks to report between Nov. 16 and the end of the year. The latest weekly data in the Nov. 16 chart also appears to have a much lower death count than previous weeks, which the CDC has said is due to a lag in reporting. This lag can be anywhere between one and eight weeks, or more, and can be demonstrated by comparing the more than 35,000 deaths added to the final figure at the time of publication on the same listing in the report released on Nov.25 (here).

In mid-October, the CDC released analysis of death figures between Jan. 26 and Oct. 3, and revealed there had been an estimated 299,028 excess deaths in 2020 by this time ( here , datawrapper.dwcdn.net/LWq2f/6/ ). It said of this figure that 198,081 deaths (66%) were believed to be due to COVID-19 – although the department also noted that underestimations could have been made on the total impact of the pandemic.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
A surgical mask does not protect directly against any virus. It does, however, prevent moisture droplets which are carriers of said viruses from being expelled. Also same moisture droplets from hitting face of another person. That's why they cover their butt on the label.
The moisture droplets can be from breathjng ( check out your breath in the winter if it gets cold enough where you live - that is the moisture in your breath condensing) speaking, singing etc. Masks most defjnitely have a value.
Viruses of this sort do not fly through the air waiting to find victims, they need a method of transmission.
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Agreed....I just look at some of these things quite literally.
 
We here in Canada get reports every day in Ontario, we know how many have come down with the virus, we know how many are on ventilators, we know how many are in ICU. We have daily reports from the health Minister and the Premier of Ontario, and those goes for each province, I have access for every city and town in Canada on these matters. Canada is very transparent about Covid. There is a lot of misinformation out there on sites or advertising coming from groups that are out there to cause dissention and confusion , if you go to proper sites and its not that hard to do, you will get proper information if that's what you are looking for. Remember there are some Foreign country's involved that are working to try to bring down Democracy cause confusion etc. This is what they want so we start fighting within ourselves to cause unrest in our Country's. Stay alert my friends.
 
Session 5 said:
We here in Canada get reports every day in Ontario, we know how many have come down with the virus, we know how many are on ventilators, we know how many are in ICU. We have daily reports from the health Minister and the Premier of Ontario, and those goes for each province, I have access for every city and town in Canada on these matters. Canada is very transparent about Covid. There is a lot of misinformation out there on sites or advertising coming from groups that are out there to cause dissention and confusion , if you go to proper sites and its not that hard to do, you will get proper information if that's what you are looking for. Remember there are some Foreign country's involved that are working to try to bring down Democracy cause confusion etc. This is what they want so we start fighting within ourselves to cause unrest in our Country's. Stay alert my friends.
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Yep, keep your powder dry !
 
Robert Herndon said:
I believe the Covid-19 pandemic is real, but I also believe we are not being told 100% truth.

From CDC website:

View attachment 53721

From a recently pulled November 22, 2020 Newsletter by John Hopkins University:

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From the side panel of a box of surgical masks:

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Kind of difficult to sift through the volumes of B.S. to find the truth...
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Basically you aren't being told the who truth because it's far more severe than most people realize.
It's far more contagious and life threatening than you have been told....
The government is hoping that the population doesn't panic.

There is a very real threat that many of the heath care workers could be infected or die.
Then there will be no more heath care.
 
"They" claim the mask is the magic "preventer".
See how many folks dont wear them snugly, or the nose is out or has a big gap to each side of mask, or they are touching the mask often (which they have been breathing into), then touching things in the grocery store, etc. ?

I am guilty at times as well, unknowingly until after I realize it.
I'm not saying masks are useless but "they" are not stressing that PROPER, diligent use of a mask (including When you wear it) can help reduce transmission.

It has become another political football..
(see TV reporters wearing masks outdoors on camera with no one else ANY where near them?) The camera crew is likely at least 6' away.
And it is a dangerous false sense of security thinking a poorly employed mask offers protection.

I said in the beginning and believe this today: it is a virus, ie virulent.
The spread of exposure or infection is virtually unstoppable until enough people are inoculated with effective vaccines, or build immunity.

It will work its way through populations until then.
Those most vulnerable need to be protected and practice a higher level of safety precautions and isolation.

These lockdowns are a broad brush approach, especially when those in charge are often seen disregarding their own draconian measures.
This in itself heightens my distrust of what we are being told.

The proposed CURE (lockdowns) is / (are ?) having worse overall societal effect than the disease.
We lost a loved one to it; any loss of life is tragic.

I dont have the answers, but after 9 or so months neither do "they".

Stay safe, use common sense, and take care of yourselves my friends - physically, emotionally, and mentally.

Or maybe I will start wearing a mask, helmet, flak jacket, knee and elbow pads 24/7 "just in case".
(I mean to be safer, dem old ladys in the grocery store can shove a shopping cart pretty hard, I tell ya; not a reference to rioters).
 
Amp Mad Scientist said:
In areas where people wore masks (and observed rules) the infection rate declined significantly.
The mask "is" the only available tool at the moment which slows the spread.
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I dont disagree, as different regions have evolved differently from others.

Here in NJ, which exploded early, we have been masked, following the rules (mostly, there are always some weddings or gatherings that make the news)
We are in the midst of a surge.
Maybe folks get complacent after awhile, mask fatigue.

We pretty much go to work and come home, and only go to the grocery store, gas station when needed anyway, even before this.
NOt all the time, but we didnt dine out much, go to bars, or events, except the 1 or 2 concerts a year.
 
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