Mom's Les Paul Replica:

Yet these two men still walk the streets------they should be arrested!!!!!

I'm well aware that people like to make light of this stuff. A wink and a nod, right? As long as you personally are not hurt by it, what's the harm, correct?

Ripping off someone else's property is nothing to be proud of, nothing worth noting in a positive sense, and definitely not something to joke about. Every one of the fakes should be run through a wood chipper, regardless of whose fret cheese is on it.

I'm fairly certain that no-one on this forum would wish for their own business to be usurped like this, for that money they worked for to be stolen from them.
 
Im fairly Certain Slash is on Gibsons Payroll---- he has MULTIPLE signature guitars both Gibson and Epiphone ---- so --- its "o.k." to use a fake --- if your HUGELY SUCCESSFUL--increase brand awareness and sales--- and your making millions ...and WE ( the "wronged corporation") can LEVERAGE your FAME to sell our non fakes----and make millions---
but if your not SLASH --- your a criminal....???

I have a Chibson -=- I bought as a test of quality and worth while ness $ wise-- I do not intend to sell it -- deceive -- or LIE about its manufacture--Im quite open about it here on the boards--or profit from it as Tommy of Tommys guitars is doing-- that is WRONG and TOMMY should be turned in ---

TBTH my clients are USURPED by China ALL THE TIME-- 2 wrongs dont make a right but three lefts do------
 
Chinese Land Rover ---er sorry LAND WIND ---

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I believe BMW tried to sue China over the fake X5 SUV--- as I recall in a nut shell --- China LAUGHED--

Im assuming Gibson got the same reaction---

ALL we can do as conscientious consumers is educate the youth of today so they dont buy the wrong guitar ---
 
Im fairly Certain Slash is on Gibsons Payroll---- he has MULTIPLE signature guitars both Gibson and Epiphone ---- so --- its "o.k." to use a fake --- if your HUGELY SUCCESSFUL--increase brand awareness and sales--- and your making millions ...and WE ( the "wronged corporation") can LEVERAGE your FAME to sell our non fakes----and make millions---
but if your not SLASH --- your a criminal....???

I have a Chibson -=- I bought as a test of quality and worth while ness $ wise-- I do not intend to sell it -- deceive -- or LIE about its manufacture--Im quite open about it here on the boards--or profit from it as Tommy of Tommys guitars is doing-- that is WRONG and TOMMY should be turned in ---

TBTH my clients are USURPED by China ALL THE TIME-- 2 wrongs dont make a right but three lefts do------

The crime is in building it and selling it. Buying one knowingly is simply unethical (sorry but that's how I feel), and owning it doesn't rise to the level of crime unless you then resell it and represent it as something it isn't, even if the item itself is technically contraband and could theoretically be confiscated and destroyed. And you don't have to lie about it or sell it: The lie is its very existence. I do respect your openness about stating exactly what it is, but do wish you had rethought getting one with the Gibson logo on in the first place, because that right there is the original sin - if nobody bought these things they wouldn't be out there in the marketplace.

I'm not a fan of US businesses sending manufacturing jobs to China, but let's be clear on this, our problems here are mostly US businesses selling us all out for a buck because they can make things cheaper there. That's not a problem with Chinese companies, who are just the beneficiaries of our greed. The problems arise when Chinese companies (or US-based luthiers!) steal intellectual property and trademarks. When you say your clients are usurped, are they literally having their trademarks copied and products with their name on them sold illegally, as is the case with counterfeits? Or are they losing market share to Chinese companies that are undercutting? Because the two are very, very different things.

And I agree that all we can do is educate and get people thinking about this, which is why I am always quick to point out the plague of fakes.
 
Dude, lighten up, life is short.
If you feel so strongly about this, don't buy one and don't build one . Problem solved.
Then you can absolve your conscience of any wrong doing on your part.
But for you to constantly dictate to others, that are just as free as you are, to purchase or do what they choose, is absurd.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
 
BUt wasnt SLASHS using of a Fake for YEARS ---- before ADMITTING he stole it ---er borrowed it -- (MAYBE HE DIDNT KNOW IT WAS FAKE) wait or was that the Mockingbird he stole---- what --

the unethicality is piling up---

can I get playbook?
 
I'm well aware that people like to make light of this stuff. A wink and a nod, right? As long as you personally are not hurt by it, what's the harm, correct?

Ripping off someone else's property is nothing to be proud of, nothing worth noting in a positive sense, and definitely not something to joke about. Every one of the fakes should be run through a wood chipper, regardless of whose fret cheese is on it.

I'm fairly certain that no-one on this forum would wish for their own business to be usurped like this, for that money they worked for to be stolen from them.

I am, absolutely, on the same page as @gball on this topic.
You want a LP copy? Get a LP copy.....not a counterfeit. There’s plenty out there to choose from.
I chose Gladiator....they say “Gladiator” on the stepped headstock.
Yes, Gibson hit them with a “cease and desist” right after I picked mine up...and so they did(cease and desist).
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And a special...
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They are two of my favorite guitars, and regularly spend time on the rack with my Gibsons.
Fact is, I like the Gladiator LP(the flame maple capped, with the mineral streaks) more than my actual Gibson LP studio. The special is killer too, but I don’t have an actual Gibson LP Special to compare it to...they only just started to make them like that one again, this year....so maybe that’ll change.

The “Land Wing” above, is clearly NOT labeled “Land Rover”.....it’s a copy...cheap, or otherwise...it’s a copy.
The guitar labeled “Gibson” that is not an actual Gibson....is a fraud...period. It doesn’t matter what the current owners “intent” is...it’s the next owner/seller...that takes advantage of the opportunity to deceive.
 
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The Reality of Replicas

Undoubtedly, major guitar manufacturers like Gibson, Fender, and Ibanez view any instrument produced by an unofficial source to be counterfeit. And legally that’s certainly true. But the handmade replica culture is not the same thing as some unsuspecting musician getting ripped off. Instead, all parties involved (except the major companies) agree that this can be an honorable transaction among consenting adults—one that involves high-quality instruments.

“Keep in mind that a guitar builder is very similar to an artist,” says Roman Rist. “For an artist to pull off a convincing Picasso means he has arrived. It is not about passing off a fake. Rather, it’s a way of saying ‘Hey, this is my business card. If I can do this, I can do just about anything.’”

Some replica builders who did not want to be identified in this story even have relationships with the companies they’re copying. They might do custom work for those manufacturers or help out in a pinch. Replicas are frequently of such stellar quality that they command high prices on the vintage market to this day.

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“The last nice Max-made Les Paul that I know of changed hands for $45,000,” says Howie Hubberman. Baranet himself won’t confirm this, but when offered a range of $35,000 to $50,000, he says, “They’ve resold much higher than that.”

Ironically, some replica builders are so respected that other people copy their work.

“There are more forgeries of my stuff than my replicas of the corporate stuff,” Baranet laughs.

Other Legendary Guitars Shrouded in Mystery


Slash’s Appetite for Destruction Les Pauls are not the only instruments open to speculation, conjecture, and controversy. The beat-to-hell, red-and-white-striped “Frankenstrat” that Eddie Van Halen made famous is a mutt of various components. Depending on who you believe, the body is a Warmoth, Fender, or Charvel. Kramer stepped in and made similar instruments for the guitar slinger in the early ’80s, the most famous being the 5150 guitar with a hockey-stick-style headstock. Many fans confuse the Frankenstrat with the Kramer 5150. The high-end EVH-branded replicas of the Frankenstrat (right)—which are made by Fender and sold under the Frankenstein model name—further complicate the discussion.

George Lynch’s skull-and-bones guitar is another oddity. Nicknamed “Mom,” the highly carved instrument played by the shredder in such Dokken videos as “Dream Warriors” carried a misleading nameplate. The guitar was actually built by J. Frog. However, when he got the instrument Lynch had recently started a relationship with ESP Guitars, so he slapped an ESP sticker on the headstock before using it in the band’s videos.
 
The Reality of Replicas

Undoubtedly, major guitar manufacturers like Gibson, Fender, and Ibanez view any instrument produced by an unofficial source to be counterfeit. And legally that’s certainly true. But the handmade replica culture is not the same thing as some unsuspecting musician getting ripped off. Instead, all parties involved (except the major companies) agree that this can be an honorable transaction among consenting adults—one that involves high-quality instruments.

“Keep in mind that a guitar builder is very similar to an artist,” says Roman Rist. “For an artist to pull off a convincing Picasso means he has arrived. It is not about passing off a fake. Rather, it’s a way of saying ‘Hey, this is my business card. If I can do this, I can do just about anything.’”

Some replica builders who did not want to be identified in this story even have relationships with the companies they’re copying. They might do custom work for those manufacturers or help out in a pinch. Replicas are frequently of such stellar quality that they command high prices on the vintage market to this day.

StreamImage.aspx
“The last nice Max-made Les Paul that I know of changed hands for $45,000,” says Howie Hubberman. Baranet himself won’t confirm this, but when offered a range of $35,000 to $50,000, he says, “They’ve resold much higher than that.”

Ironically, some replica builders are so respected that other people copy their work.

“There are more forgeries of my stuff than my replicas of the corporate stuff,” Baranet laughs.

Other Legendary Guitars Shrouded in Mystery


Slash’s Appetite for Destruction Les Pauls are not the only instruments open to speculation, conjecture, and controversy. The beat-to-hell, red-and-white-striped “Frankenstrat” that Eddie Van Halen made famous is a mutt of various components. Depending on who you believe, the body is a Warmoth, Fender, or Charvel. Kramer stepped in and made similar instruments for the guitar slinger in the early ’80s, the most famous being the 5150 guitar with a hockey-stick-style headstock. Many fans confuse the Frankenstrat with the Kramer 5150. The high-end EVH-branded replicas of the Frankenstrat (right)—which are made by Fender and sold under the Frankenstein model name—further complicate the discussion.

George Lynch’s skull-and-bones guitar is another oddity. Nicknamed “Mom,” the highly carved instrument played by the shredder in such Dokken videos as “Dream Warriors” carried a misleading nameplate. The guitar was actually built by J. Frog. However, when he got the instrument Lynch had recently started a relationship with ESP Guitars, so he slapped an ESP sticker on the headstock before using it in the band’s videos.

Did you write that @Robert Herndon ?
 
Here's my stance.

I like guitars that have a certain feel and a certain tone. When I find one - which isnt often - it's a beautiful thing.

I cannot tell you how many times Mom let people play the Replica and her 1979 Gibson Les Paul Custom - and almost everyone chose the replica as the better sounding - and playing - of the two.

To me, that's a guitar I want in my hands, because I always felt that 1979 LPC was the Holy Grail.

I am very, very happy with my 2016 Gibson Les Paul 50's Tribute. I feel fortunate to have it.

It took 5 badly flawed brand new Gibson's in less than 2 years to finally find it.

I'm equally happy to have the replica which looks like an expensive LPC, looks killer on stage, sounds and feels great but isnt a rare or highly valued guitar.
 
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I am, absolutely, on the same page as @gball on this topic.
You want a LP copy? Get a LP copy.....not a counterfeit. There’s plenty out there to choose from.
I chose Gladiator....they say “Gladiator” on the stepped headstock.
Yes, Gibson hit them with a “cease and desist” right after I picked mine up...and so they did(cease and desist).
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And a special...
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They are two of my favorite guitars, and regularly spend time on the rack with my Gibsons.
Fact is, I like the Gladiator LP(the flame maple capped, with the mineral streaks) more than my actual Gibson LP studio. The special is killer too, but I don’t have an actual Gibson LP Special to compare it to...they only just started to make them like that one again, this year....so maybe that’ll change.

The “Land Wing” above, is clearly NOT labeled “Land Rover”.....it’s a copy...cheap, or otherwise...it’s a copy.
The guitar labeled “Gibson” that is not an actual Gibson....is a fraud...period. It doesn’t matter what the current owners “intent” is...it’s the next owner/seller...that takes advantage of the opportunity to deceive.

I remember being at Gibson in Hollywood when i picked up my 2016 Goldtop from my Artist Relations contact last year.

There was an internal memo I was shown between the Gibson CEO and Marketing department that said something to the effect that the Kris Derrig/Slash Les Paul replica did more for Gibson Les Paul sales than any other endorsement program they had at the time.

The feeling I got, as I talked with people there in Hollywood, was that Gibson actually respected the effect the Derrig replica had on the public and the boost it created in Les Paul sales.

I mean, let's be honest...what could Gibson say???

Nothing!!! The Derrig made them a fortune and if Gibson decried it as a fake, what would that do to sales of the A4D Les Paul's?

I recall a Derrig or Foote interview where they said the replicas became popular because real Gibson's were too expensive with hit-and-miss quality.
 
No, Sir...it's not wordy enough to be my work...

The Legend of Slash’s Appetite for Destruction Les Paul
So, Mr Thomas Scott McKenzie(or the copyrights owner of the article) gets paid for the hits on his article by the advertisers on the site that the article that you copied, didn’t link to, or give credit to, was copy/pasted from.
Granted the article was written in 2010, he probably deserves a bit of credit for putting that together, right?
This is, and has been, a point of contention with me. Where is the line drawn? What’s the difference? How acceptable is this theft on any level? Innocuous or not...to argue theft of intellectual property with theft of intellectual property, is ludicrous.
I’m not just picking on you sir....this happens in our society on the reg. It’s the cop-out of cop-outs these days...
if no one can point at this and say b#££$hit...well...that’s pretty fricken sad.

Plain, and simple facts....is your mom’s black “Gibson Les Paul Custom” an actual Gibson? Nope.
Does it say so on the headstock? Yep.
Does that make it a fraud/fake/forgery? Yep.
Are you the only one that has one(a fraud/fake/forgery)? Nope.
Does that fact make it “right”? No sir.
Do I give a rats a$$? Not until it makes it in to my neighborhood (like your not-Ibanez-Ibanez axe that is floating around near me now. So you sold it to Matt as a replica. That doesn’t stop the next guy from representing it as real...I hope that doesn’t happen...and I hope that none of my friends, or their kids, falls for it, if it does..but that’s not your fault:wink:.)
 
Here's my stance.

I like guitars that have a certain feel and a certain tone. When I find one - which isnt often - it's a beautiful thing.

I cannot tell you how many times Mom let people play the Replica and her 1979 Gibson Les Paul Custom - and almost everyone chose the replica as the better sounding - and playing - of the two.

To me, that's a guitar I want in my hands, because I always felt that 1979 LPC was the Holy Grail.

I am very, very happy with my 2016 Gibson Les Paul 50's Tribute. I feel fortunate to have it.

It took 5 badly flawed brand new Gibson's in less than 2 years to finally find it.

I'm equally happy to have the replica which looks like an expensive LPC, looks killer on stage, sounds and feels great but isnt a rare or highly valued guitar.

Then call a spade a spade. Your Fibson is not a Gibson....it’s better... and can speak for itself without stealing an identity.
 
I remember being at Gibson in Hollywood when i picked up my 2016 Goldtop from my Artist Relations contact last year.

There was an internal memo I was shown between the Gibson CEO and Marketing department that said something to the effect that the Kris Derrig/Slash Les Paul replica did more for Gibson Les Paul sales than any other endorsement program they had at the time.

The feeling I got, as I talked with people there in Hollywood, was that Gibson actually respected the effect the Derrig replica had on the public and the boost it created in Les Paul sales.

I mean, let's be honest...what could Gibson say???

Nothing!!! The Derrig made them a fortune and if Gibson decried it as a fake, what would that do to sales of the A4D Les Paul's?

I recall a Derrig or Foote interview where they said the replicas became popular because real Gibson's were too expensive with hit-and-miss quality.

Again, call them out on it. Why steal their identity? If it is, in fact, so much more cool...why call it something “inferior”?
 
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