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gball said:
Yup, nailed it.

At the end of the day though, all I know is what my fingertips and ears tell me, and those two admittedly subjective data collectors tell me the wood and construction make a difference. Even if its just the way the guitar feels due to different wood/design that's enough because it will make you play differently, and the sound will differ. These things don't play themselves so the human element is not a variable that should be factored out IMO.
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Right on in your description.
 
eSGEe said:
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The main thing I think/believe is anything that affects the vibration of the strings affects the sound, as that is where it all begins. Whether that be's the way's they be played, the type of strings, magnets, type of nut/bridge/wood, etc - if the strings vibrate different, well, everything after that is based on the string vibration, so... Ya, I'm not the deepest person in the world - lol...
 
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This same discussion even has it's own variation in the drumming world.

DO certain woods in drum shells significantly color the sound of the drums as they are struck with various woods/ various materials of sticks etc?
In the case of drums, folks often bring up wood types, Maple, Birch, Poplar, Mahog etc and as we all know GLUE, lots of glue to hold all the plies together.

Once again,,,,,,,,,, loads of factors all have SOME kind of effect. To what degree is the effect and to what degree can human ears truly discern them is the ultimate question.
 
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Drumoid said:
The main thing I thing/believe is anything that affects the vibration of the strings affects the sound, as that is where it all begins. Whether that be's the way's they be played, the type of strings, magnets, type of nut/bridge/wood, etc - if the strings vibrate different, well, everything after that is based on the string vibration, so... Ya, I'm not the deepest person in the world - lol...
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True and 9 out of 10 dogs agree too! Human earring does have its limitations. That little hair or tread pissed my turtle off. I'm good thanks, new pickups you sad?
 
Robert Herndon said:
Interesting!

I believe it is the relative density of certain woods that prolongs the vibration of a string on a guitar, and I believe this is why some guitars have more sustain and.or sound better than others...I can plug into the six string neck and play the 12 string side and it will come through with amazing clarity....That's the transfer of vibration through the wood, because the strings on that neck have no vibrating string ...
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There is also sympathetic vibration to consider.
If a material (the strings in this case) shares a natural characteristic frequency with the vibration it will vibrate in "sympathy". Playing your 12 string side should set up vibrations in the 6 string side because they share a natural characteristic frequency. This also explains why you can hear resonance building as you tune the high 'e' string to the low 'E' string.
 
If you have never played this song live, and really studied it, you will be amazed at the level of intricacy involved. Also listen to how noisy the signal chain is!!!!

 
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I have found weight has a factor 8 pound range is the best for Fenders and Gibson's original's Pre CBS and 1958-1960 LPS
My 1958 Gibson Flying V is 5.5 pounds it's the most nasty killer tone why I don't have a clue. I put a set of 1961 PAF's in my 1986 Gibson flying V it's a total dud.
Same with the 2015 SG Standard the worst guitar I own. I'm looking for a Baker guitar original see what I find.
 
67plexi said:
I have found weight has a factor 8 pound range is the best for Fenders and Gibson's original's Pre CBS and 1958-1960 LPS
My 1958 Gibson Flying V is 5.5 pounds it's the most nasty killer tone why I don't have a clue. I put a set of 1961 PAF's in my 1986 Gibson flying V it's a total dud.
Same with the 2015 SG Standard the worst guitar I own. I'm looking for a Baker guitar original see what I find.
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Funny how even these things end up being subjective. I personally prefer the sound of heavier guitars. The originals 'bursts mostly sound nasally and lightweight to me, even the most famous ones (with the possible exception of Pearly Gates). I simply can't wrap my head around the slavish love for the things, other than their scarcity, and whenever I have played one I have felt pretty "meh" about it. Give me an 11-pound Norlin monster any day...for me they are the best-sounding guitars Gibson has ever made, and the mid-late '70's Les Pauls have what for me is the best neck profile ever.
 
67plexi said:
gball how many real Burst have you played they all sound different. I like big fat wide necks I have big hands. It's a free world play what you like
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I've played three bursts, plus a bunch of 54-57 goldies. They were good guitars, as all Les Pauls are, but nothing struck me as being worth the hype. I do agree with you though - play what you like, whatever makes the sounds you dig. I know they are revered and there has got to be a reason beyond just the rarity, but it escapes me personally. I guess I am better off that way since I can actually afford to buy the ones that I really want and am not chasing an unattainable ideal! Rock on man
 
67plexi said:
I have found weight has a factor 8 pound range is the best for Fenders and Gibson's original's Pre CBS and 1958-1960 LPS
My 1958 Gibson Flying V is 5.5 pounds it's the most nasty killer tone why I don't have a clue. I put a set of 1961 PAF's in my 1986 Gibson flying V it's a total dud.
Same with the 2015 SG Standard the worst guitar I own. I'm looking for a Baker guitar original see what I find.
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Wonder what this studio weighs??? I pick it up tomorrow...
 
gball said:
Funny how even these things end up being subjective. I personally prefer the sound of heavier guitars. The originals 'bursts mostly sound nasally and lightweight to me, even the most famous ones (with the possible exception of Pearly Gates). I simply can't wrap my head around the slavish love for the things, other than their scarcity, and whenever I have played one I have felt pretty "meh" about it. Give me an 11-pound Norlin monster any day...for me they are the best-sounding guitars Gibson has ever made, and the mid-late '70's Les Pauls have what for me is the best neck profile ever.
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Or Mom's 14.8lb Norlin beast!!!!
 
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