I've been banned from the Marshall Forum...

[Frodebro]

I actually have done only a small fraction of the recruiting.
There was little I could do while I had no access to the MF site.

Kudos should really go to Grant, and all of the existing TTR members who created this site and the comradery that has made this forum a musician's community that people WANT to be a part of.

When I first joined both forums, they were quite similar. It's been a few years of gradual changes at the MF that recently culminated in an abrupt change in the environment that was easy to walk away from.

It's that "small town culture" that so many forums lose once membership hits a certain point, though sites like this one and the MF seem to be largely immune to that degradation due to attracting a largely older demographic that grew up in a world where manners and respect still existed.

 

[Ghostman]

if we bring a lot of people over from MF, then there's a LOT of apologies I have to consider. Mostly, a bunch of apologies I don't even remember needing....

 

[PelliX]

Mostly, a bunch of apologies I don't even remember needing....

You know you still owe me 20 bucks, right...

 

[BFT Gibson]

A man can only take so much purple hair and so many noserings in one day, after all...

guess that rules me out & my kids, my grandkids, half the people i know and many of those i help on a regular basis out of shear love............. no judgement only the ability to see into the heart & that everyone is equally important as the others..thank you for the motivation to really write some songs now....

 

[PelliX]

guess that rules me out & my kids, my grandkids, half the people i know and many of those i help on a regular basis out of shear love.............

No offense intended at all, I was simply riffing off a stereotype. Stereotypes exist for a reason but exceptions confirm the rule as they say. I've said it before and I'll say it again, arseholes exist in all colours, shapes and sizes and they come from all over the globe. The takeaway is simply to give everyone a fair chance.
I've done a lot of job interviews over the past years and when you read someone's resume or see their photograph you already form some kind of pre-judgement. That's completely natural, it's just our brain trying to simplify things as we go along. There's no problem with that, but you have to set it aside when you actually meet the person in question and let them form a fresh impression. Now I'm actually "officially" managing people for the first time in my (otherwise technical) career and that really drives this point home - to me at least.

no judgement only the ability to see into the heart & that everyone is equally important as the others

Judgement is fine, just not pre-judgement without the option to change one's mind. Everyone judges everyone else they interact with to some degree.

 

[BFT Gibson]

No offense intended at all, I was simply riffing off a stereotype. Stereotypes exist for a reason but exceptions confirm the rule as they say. I've said it before and I'll say it again, arseholes exist in all colours, shapes and sizes and they come from all over the globe. The takeaway is simply to give everyone a fair chance.
I've done a lot of job interviews over the past years and when you read someone's resume or see their photograph you already form some kind of pre-judgement. That's completely natural, it's just our brain trying to simplify things as we go along. There's no problem with that, but you have to set it aside when you actually meet the person in question and let them form a fresh impression. Now I'm actually "officially" managing people for the first time in my (otherwise technical) career and that really drives this point home - to me at least.



Judgement is fine, just not pre-judgement without the option to change one's mind. Everyone judges everyone else they interact with to some degree.

No doubt, learning to look past the visual is key !! i will never forget, Sept 1981, we moved from the City as dad got transferred and landed in a preppy school. In fact i didn't even know what that meant. Got on the school bus & within 5 seconds heard this. "Well, that ones a freak" i was baffled. Turns out i had an Aerosmith T shirt on & it got labeled into a category, without even someone talking to me. I looked around and dudes had khaki pants & pink Izod shirts on.. The categories where wild

Freaks
Jocks
preps
motorheads
arts

I was 3 of em, but freaks as i look back, helped me see past popularity & mob mentality early on and just be free to be who you are..

My job, and i meet a lot of people, survival is dependent on listening & learning how to help with every culture, race, look , you name it. Most are decent, there is the 1 or 2 every week that make it difficult at times.

 

[BFT Gibson]

BTW, "purple hair & nose rings" are lyrics in this.. pretty funny actually

 

[PelliX]

No doubt, learning to look past the visual is key !!

Yeah, I was bullied and beaten for the first five+ years of my school career because I had long hair. I also didn't belong to the same financial bracket as most of the other pupils overall. My father also had long hair and a beard, and we got a lot of stick for that, too. We all refused to compromise. Then we moved to the Netherlands and people were just "OK" with all of it, at which point I decided I no longer had a point to prove and had relatively short hair until my thirties for practical reasons. I now have hair down my back (again). For a few years I did a sort of social experiment by wearing 'neat' shirts - no other changes to my appearance. You get treated slightly differently, it's true. I wasn't surprised but it was interesting to gauge just what the difference would be. I then went back to my usual t-shirt or sweater depending on the weather mode and that's likely how I will spend the rest of my life (unless I move somewhere where a sweater is no longer warranted...).
That said, the way you present yourself (long hair, purple hair, noserings, tattoos, shoes, anything) *is* a form of expression and it's fair game for anyone to draw their conclusions from that. If I see you wearing an Aerosmith shirt, I can make the assumption that you either really, really like the font/imagery or that you're an Aerosmith fan (or both). There's no real difference between having a bunch of piercings or wearing a shirt with a certain statement; they can both be misinterpreted, ultimately. I have zero piercings, zero tattoos and I don't dye my hair. Not sure what that says, haha.

My job, and i meet a lot of people, survival is dependent on listening & learning how to help with every culture, race, look , you name it. Most are decent, there is the 1 or 2 every week that make it difficult at times.

Yup. There's also nothing wrong with disliking or having a preference for a given culture. When it comes to race, that's not a form of expression, it's an inherent trait that you cannot change. I cannot change the fact that I'm right handed or the colour of my eyes or skin.

 

[BFT Gibson]

Yeah, I was bullied and beaten for the first five+ years of my school career because I had long hair. I also didn't belong to the same financial bracket as most of the other pupils overall. My father also had long hair and a beard, and we got a lot of stick for that, too. We all refused to compromise. Then we moved to the Netherlands and people were just "OK" with all of it, at which point I decided I no longer had a point to prove and had relatively short hair until my thirties for practical reasons. I now have hair down my back (again). For a few years I did a sort of social experiment by wearing 'neat' shirts - no other changes to my appearance. You get treated slightly differently, it's true. I wasn't surprised but it was interesting to gauge just what the difference would be. I then went back to my usual t-shirt or sweater depending on the weather mode and that's likely how I will spend the rest of my life (unless I move somewhere where a sweater is no longer warranted...).
That said, the way you present yourself (long hair, purple hair, noserings, tattoos, shoes, anything) *is* a form of expression and it's fair game for anyone to draw their conclusions from that. If I see you wearing an Aerosmith shirt, I can make the assumption that you either really, really like the font/imagery or that you're an Aerosmith fan (or both). There's no real difference between having a bunch of piercings or wearing a shirt with a certain statement; they can both be misinterpreted, ultimately. I have zero piercings, zero tattoos and I don't dye my hair. Not sure what that says, haha.



Yup. There's also nothing wrong with disliking or having a preference for a given culture. When it comes to race, that's not a form of expression, it's an inherent trait that you cannot change. I cannot change the fact that I'm right handed or the colour of my eyes or skin.

I respect that ! Thanks, bully survivor here also

 

[TVvoodoo]

As a member of too many similar forums, I've been actively recruiting to this space for years, with a mind to "selectivity." But man-oh-man seeing all you new principled folks throw down your bedrolls is real cause for celebration!

TTR is one of few remaining retaining that homey old school atmosphere, may it never change, or just enough to retain that atmosphere.

I'm also MF member but maybe five or ten lifetime posts there, mostly thanking members who took some time to throw sunshine on what I do. I've never owned a Marshall, I'm more the other kind of British amp guy.

I couch-crashed here years ago as another gear forum implosion refugee, ended up calling it home after not being immediately run off. I did bring along some fun interactive initiatives I'd been developing to spice up the joint, and was allowed my own small space to honk my clown horn... I hope to be allowed to continue. Thank you to @WavMixer @fitz @Don O @Jethro Rocker for chiming in on this thread in regards to that.

Many of these forum groups are similar... similar topics, similar populations, but other than corporatization, where that ends here is how we choose to comport ourselves.

The goal of the big players is to turn community into commodity. What makes TTR attractive is that it remains a little flexible not being operated by a stiff board of directors... so please allow admin and ownership some leeway to govern as they see fit, and if tweaks are required show patience and grace.

As much as we all enjoy a little drama from time to time, try to bring positivity more than the other, as much as you can muster. That's our lifeblood. To steal a quote... "Ask not what your forum can do for you... but what you can for your forum" - thinking this way helps keep our communities vibrant and viable.

I too welcome one and all who can add knowledge, creativity and good humour to the TTR stew.
Looking forward to all your posts, and camaraderie and fellowship.

 

[PelliX]

I've never owned a Marshall, I'm more the other kind of British amp guy.

So you're a VOX guy? Wait, or do you mean Orange? Or Hiwatt? Or Victory? Or Blackstar? Or...?

While the cost would probably be prohibitive, I'm just wondering; I'm a fan of the 'vintage' leather Fender straps. They tend to wear out quite quickly around the tail end, which I attribute to slightly sub-par leather.

Do you offer a more durable but otherwise comparable replacement? Is it simply inherent to the design given the dimensions of the leather?

 

[TVvoodoo]

So you're a VOX guy? Wait, or do you mean Orange? Or Hiwatt? Or Victory? Or Blackstar? Or...?

While the cost would probably be prohibitive, I'm just wondering; I'm a fan of the 'vintage' leather Fender straps. They tend to wear out quite quickly around the tail end, which I attribute to slightly sub-par leather.

Do you offer a more durable but otherwise comparable replacement? Is it simply inherent to the design given the dimensions of the leather?

I'll PM you brother, watch for it..

 

[Jethro Rocker]

Yeah, I was bullied and beaten for the first five+ years of my school career because I had long hair. I also didn't belong to the same financial bracket as most of the other pupils overall. My father also had long hair and a beard, and we got a lot of stick for that, too. We all refused to compromise. Then we moved to the Netherlands and people were just "OK" with all of it, at which point I decided I no longer had a point to prove and had relatively short hair until my thirties for practical reasons. I now have hair down my back (again). For a few years I did a sort of social experiment by wearing 'neat' shirts - no other changes to my appearance. You get treated slightly differently, it's true. I wasn't surprised but it was interesting to gauge just what the difference would be. I then went back to my usual t-shirt or sweater depending on the weather mode and that's likely how I will spend the rest of my life (unless I move somewhere where a sweater is no longer warranted...).
That said, the way you present yourself (long hair, purple hair, noserings, tattoos, shoes, anything) *is* a form of expression and it's fair game for anyone to draw their conclusions from that. If I see you wearing an Aerosmith shirt, I can make the assumption that you either really, really like the font/imagery or that you're an Aerosmith fan (or both). There's no real difference between having a bunch of piercings or wearing a shirt with a certain statement; they can both be misinterpreted, ultimately. I have zero piercings, zero tattoos and I don't dye my hair. Not sure what that says, haha.



Yup. There's also nothing wrong with disliking or having a preference for a given culture. When it comes to race, that's not a form of expression, it's an inherent trait that you cannot change. I cannot change the fact that I'm right handed or the colour of my eyes or skin.

Totally agree. The number of F given to what others think I look like is now well past zero. I like different, I like people who aren't afraid to show who they really are and stand out. Goth, piercings, tats, whatever. Be your own brand of freak.

While the cost would probably be prohibitive, I'm just wondering; I'm a fan of the 'vintage' leather Fender straps. They tend to wear out quite quickly around the tail end, which I attribute to slightly sub-par leather.

He can set you up. If they wear out, then the cost is less prohibitive cause the ones I have will outlast me.
Or maybe that just says something about my age...