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THE MOST IMPORTANT VIDEO I EVER SAW in reference to AMP/ELECTRONICS SAFETY


I have been learning as much as time and money permits when it come to Amps and electronics.
Many thanks go out to all our members who know these things and who have helped me learn and comprehend circuits, components, design, theory, testing, diagnosing etc.

Just felt I should start a thread to act like a resource to many of the details I have learned as passed down to me and now me to others.



One I found today while googling was on how to solder properly on eyelet boards.
here it is.

Soldering on eyelet board - is there a recommended way?

SO, within this thread is this which I found. WOW such detail.

https://nepp.nasa.gov/DocUploads/06AA01BA-FC7E-4094-AE829CE371A7B05D/NASA-STD-8739.3.pdf
 
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Another PRICELESS lesson is one from a mere conversation with DonP.

He expressed concern and cautioned me to make sure my test leads I was using with my Digital Multi Meters were rated for high enough voltages like 600V when I would be hooking up my meters to live amps like to testing plate current, transformer readings etc.

Safety around high voltage is vital and paramount if we are to be inside an amp for any reason. Thanks Don
 
Never Mix impedances of a speaker cab and amp. Whenever encountering a speaker cab from unknown background.

Never trust what is written on the cab or another owner tells you, always use a speaker cord and multimeter to test the impedances in each jack, especially if it has switches and multiple ohm ratings, stereo/mono on the jackplate.

Having bought a new to me head and cab, one might assume it was safely being used at the matched ohms ratings, but when metering the cab, I got suspect values. Now I will make access to the speakers in this closed back cab and verify the data and get it wired to work properly at either 8 or 16 ohm so I won't have any problems with my various amp heads.

Same goes for a used Bass 4x10 cab I have.
 
He expressed concern and cautioned me to make sure my test leads I was using with my Digital Multi Meters were rated for high enough voltages like 600V when I would be hooking up my meters to live amps like to testing plate current, transformer readings etc.
Agree. Working with guitar amps, the digital multi meters need to be rated for at least a CAT.II 1000V. A CAT.III 600V rating is not safe enough.
 
Practice on sacrificial material..



Another thing I just typed to BlackSG was since I have 0 experience soldering and desoldering to PCB's. I should round up some sacrificial PCB's off old VCR's or bad junk I get in a scrap yard and practice my heat settings and skills before I operate on my good amp PCB's for the first time.

Regular stuff like soldering pots and switches I am good on, but PCB, not yet.
 
Practice on sacrificial material..



Another thing I just typed to BlackSG was since I have 0 experience soldering and desoldering to PCB's. I should round up some sacrificial PCB's off old VCR's or bad junk I get in a scrap yard and practice my heat settings and skills before I operate on my good amp PCB's for the first time.

Regular stuff like soldering pots and switches I am good on, but PCB, not yet.
Build a pedal or two....it’s productive, and good practice. Plus you get a pedal:D

I have no affiliation with, but have built a couple/few...
General Guitar Gadgets | General Guitar Gadgets is the best DIY stompbox site on the internet! We feature projects, kits and ready-to-solder PCBs.
Fairly cheap.
 
Good idea, bdon.
As I thought through this topic I started, I also found just the roots of getting to know your multi meter, schematics, notations for components so one can understand the circuits, basic theory of electricity, how transformers work, types of them,etc. Then definitely learn B+ and what it is, push pull, phase inverters, rectifiers, slope resistors, variable resistors, power vs preamp sections...
 
make sure my test leads I was using with my Digital Multi Meters were rated for high enough voltages like 600V when I would be hooking up my meters to live amps like to testing plate current, transformer readings etc.

I find the wife to be an excellent pre-test in these types of circumstances: Just hold them there, darling, while I stand over here and switch it on...
 
Do thorough research on amp techs before trusting valuable ones to be repaired. And in the end, the chopstick method.

Don't trust recommendations from a friend even if the recommended tech has history of successful repairs. Never trust your gear to the same friend either just because he is a more experienced musician who has played longer and had more gear usage and repairs before your 1st repair needs occurred.

A moderately sad but true story lesson I learned that has put me on this path in the first place.
My 1st amp repair was from my 70's SS Sunn AMP combo that stopped working. My friend offered a friend's help to fix it for me. After giving it to my friend, I never saw the amp again. He said the repair guy said it was not worth the cost to fix it. So I basically chalked it up to a $100 first amp, basically not cost effective to worry about. Still wish I had it though. I could likely fix a burnt resistor or fuse or something simple.

Next was me needing to have my 1972 Marshall JMP 50 watter fixed due to it blowing fuses after a bit of play time.
Same friend, but I was able to meet possibly a different tech guy a number of years later that he knew and said could definitely fix it.
When I took it to him, he checked the tubes, said no good. Then checked a few more things with volt meter and said yup, the Power Transformer was bad. The amp had already had a newer Output transformer in it by the time I got it. To make a long story short, the amp got new filter caps, and the new Marstran Transformer I got for him to fix the fuse blowing issue.
Sadly despite me telling him to save my old parts, he says he threw away the transformer. Even sadder, I seriously doubted he had but could do very little to retrieve it. Then in a little time, I still had issues with the amp losing sound signal from the guitar thru the speakers. After the loss of my Original Marshall transformer, I was no longer confident he would do me right and fix the issue he was already paid to fix.

Flash forward a decade to about 2016-2017 and through meeting Relic61, DonP, and IvanH on here, I now had 3 fellas who had the belief and knowledge to talk me through the type of learning I started this thread about. Through their teachings, the stuff I learned on youtube, googling and through books, I was confident my amp had tested to where all components were installed and functioning as they were from the factory. After numerous run checks, it seemed like it was back in reliable shape and functioning as it should. So, I was very surprised and a little frustrated when I went to play it and soon into doing so, the signal faded out and back in again, then out....

This time, I went back to a basic tip I learned during all my learning from the guys, and you tube etc. Visual looks and probing and listening with the amp on and thru speaker. chopstick probing revealed the issue and gave me a free fix. ( I now suspect this was the issue all the time and not the power transformer at all ) No odd noises or change as I probed every wire, pin, resistor, cap etc inside the amp, until I got to the pins on the OHMS selector. Suddenly the amp made a noise in the speaker, then I could make the guitar ring out too. Turns out the old style Marshall selector with the removable plug in cap had worked loose enough that the electrical connection was intermittent to none.
I disassembled the female socket and gently squeezed the female brass ferrules tighter and reassembled the unit to test for reliable connections. It passed the test and has been working since 2017 trouble free.
 
I find the wife to be an excellent pre-test in these types of circumstances: Just hold them there, darling, while I stand over here and switch it on...

Reminds me of a joke.

A woman was found dead from being beaten over the head with a hammer. The police arrested her husband and had previously suspected him of killing his 4 wives prior to this. Since ferensics was not as advanced in the years before they caught him this time, they could not prove he had killed the first 4. By this time, technology had improved. They now could re open the cases of the first 4 wives. They grilled him and said they pretty much had him nailed. Then they asked why he killed the other 4 with what they determined were poison mushrooms but instead used a hammer for this wife. His reply was...

" She wouldn't eat her mushrooms"
 
Buying Used gear, Mouse eaten wires, Bad Tubes, Unscrupulous sellers.

Here are some other lessons I've learned buying gear on the used market. My Laney head was finicky in the high stage input jack of the amp.
It would play but I had to fiddle with the cord plug end to get good signal. Thought it was simply a need new jack scenario. But when the amp would run awhile, then make some funny sounds, or the strength of sound fluctuated up and down in volume, I decided to look under the hood.
Turns out mice had chewed some wires and possibly a coupling cap.

And if some of you don't know, I got my latest amp and despite it playing nicely at the seller's house, the first time I plugged it in at home, it blew fuses and made flashes inside V7 of the 6550 tubes as soon as I'd take it off standby. The culprit was a tube so bad, it caused the Amplirex 1000 AT tube tester to shut down into self protect mode when the guy testing the tubes for me started to run the testing. Turns out 3 of the 6550's tested bad and at least V3 of the 12 ax7's also tested bad.

Unscrupulous sellers: even though some tube sellers claimed their preamp tubes I bought off ebay tested good, The Amplirex tester my new tube guy used gave at least 1/2 of them a failing grade specs wise. So, if anyone does have some type issue on their amps, have the tubes tested and then proceed accordingly.
 
YAY RobV. I never cease to want to learn stuff and share for others who like to learn as well. The debt I owe our brethren here is immeasurable. Kudos to all who have patiently shared their knowledge and help to me. Sysco, DonO, DONP, BASTARDDON, Smitty, 67, Ivan and all I missed. One day I will also make sure to converse with Drumoid too, as Adrian tells me he knows amps too.

Mr Carlson has some of my favorite how to vids I have learned so much from.

 
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