I was recently asked this questions ..................

do push pull pots rob tone ?

  • yes

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • no

    Votes: 5 26.3%

  • beans give me gas

    Votes: 14 73.7%
  • Total voters
    19
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yes total click bait --- but I was ASKED......

do "push pull pots" rob tone ?
(in the application of a "modern" les paul ) the questionee was unhappy with the tone of his particular les paul and ------was discussing the pots said he read it online someplace (I cant find it) that real ("real") bourns or similar "old school" potentiometers are better than the "new" push pulls and that the push pulls
"rob tone" essentially making a humbucker
1. NOT a full humbucker and
2. not a true single coil
so his theory was the push pulls turned reasonably good pickups to pure poop ...... and he was told "dont change your pickups--- change your POTS!!!"---

ugh the minutia....... so I ask you the Minutia Militia ------

do they?
 
eSGEe said:
yes total click bait --- but I was ASKED......

do "push pull pots" rob tone ?
(in the application of a "modern" les paul ) the questionee was unhappy with the tone of his particular les paul and ------was discussing the pots said he read it online someplace (I cant find it) that real ("real") bourns or similar "old school" potentiometers are better than the "new" push pulls and that the push pulls
"rob tone" essentially making a humbucker
1. NOT a full humbucker and
2. not a true single coil
so his theory was the push pulls turned reasonably good pickups to pure :poo: ...... and he was told "dont change your pickups--- change your POTS!!!"---

ugh the minutia....... so I ask you the Minutia Militia ------

do they?
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An examination of the electrical schematic of a push-pull pot will show this not to be the case. The push-pull pot merely has a DPDT switch incorporated onto the pot housing. The switch doesn’t connect to anything until the contacts are soldered onto something.

Also, this does not seem to consider how the leads are actually connected in a humbucker pickup. When not switched into single-coil mode, the “finish” of one coil connects to the “start” of the other coil, which creates a humbucking pickup! When in in single-coil mode, one coil is shorted and the “finish” of the first coil runs directly to ground, resulting in a single-coil pickup, as it would be in any dedicated, single coil pickup.

It’s just that simple. Whether a pickup functions as a humbucker or a single-coil is a matter of electronics and is not determined by “tone”.
 
eSGEe said:
yes total click bait --- but I was ASKED......

do "push pull pots" rob tone ?
(in the application of a "modern" les paul ) the questionee was unhappy with the tone of his particular les paul and ------was discussing the pots said he read it online someplace (I cant find it) that real ("real") bourns or similar "old school" potentiometers are better than the "new" push pulls and that the push pulls
"rob tone" essentially making a humbucker
1. NOT a full humbucker and
2. not a true single coil
so his theory was the push pulls turned reasonably good pickups to pure :poo: ...... and he was told "dont change your pickups--- change your POTS!!!"---

ugh the minutia....... so I ask you the Minutia Militia ------

do they?
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Hell no lol

I could see the argument to some extent when say, you had 500k dpdt pots and you split a Humbucker, to where its now a single coil; the "single coil" is now operating on a 500k pot, when it normally would be a 250k. But that would mean YOU installed said pot because most factory guitars with coil splitting use 500k/250k dpdt pots which does EXACTLY what it's supposed to: 500k on full humbucker, 250k on single coil/split mode.

500k/500k dpdt pots CAN be used for coil splitting but its not gonna sound as good as you want, because in single mode, its not gonna dampen higher frequencies as it should.
 
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--- actually the real issue is the truss rod cover is plastic and not wood which we all know is really where the tone hides..........
:rolleyes:
 
Without getting into an technical electrical discussion on ohms, capacitance, etc. affecting tone…… I’m a believer in K.I.S.S. For me personally. If I’m wanting a single coil sound, I play a single coil guitar. If a HB sound, I play a guitar with HBs. Don’t own a guitar where I can split coils.

My opinion. Your results may vary. :cool:
 
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eSGEe said:
the pup rings actually ... successfully noted here--
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Quite right. I stand corrected.

You must be referring to the obscure study conducted by Dr. Schteimenflippenhauser and Dr. Worghomenschtammer at the University of Shevievega, which examined the anti-reverse resonant effects of pickup rings on string vibration. Very enlightening study. I had forgotten about that.

Thanks for reminding me!
 
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