Session 5
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I see you have this problem in U.S
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Not a current issue. When I graduated HS we had kids that became mechanics at the local dealer. Body shops. Etc. They learned to be plumbers or carpenters. And yes. Lots of us went to college. But many of us entered the service market….. which was the direction I took.We have the same problem here in Canada..
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Just an example I see hiring signs everywhere, including mechanical plants and fabrication shops $25.00 Hr plus benefits, they can't get people to work. Thats just a tip of the iceberg..
As time moved on. Fewer and fewer kids were wanting to work on cars or tractors. More we’re going to college. Average age of mechanics kept creeping up. I think at my last job, the average age of our mechanics was in the 50s. Which means we had a few in their 60s.
I don’t put all the blame on the younger generations. We pushed them to go to college to get white collar jobs. Service jobs became demeaning…. Not just by the kids…. But by my generation wanting only the best for little Johnny.
Unfortunately. Here we are. Cars still need worked on. Toilets still need repaired. Houses need built or remodel projects need remodeled. Concrete needs poured. And there’s no one to do it because we’ve all retired or died.
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Session 5
Ambassador of Strings & Wings
I guess we agree to disagree. It shows to be a current issue in the article that I posted, and I have to say its true, after working for 38 years in the Petro Chemical Industry, and I myself as Team Leader, have seen many of the younger generation being lazy and do not want to work.
Not showing up for work on time , sitting in the smoke shack 10 minutes before break, 10 minutes after break same for lunch breaks and afternoon breaks. They make some money, then decide they don't want to show up for work, always call in sick on a Monday or Friday.
Many of them get fired, there are some good ones , but far and few between. I have talked with quite a few younger people in there 30s, who tell me they wish they could retire, Ha, I just shake my head, when i started working I never thought of retirement other than plan and save for one day when I was going to.
I enjoyed working, and I worked all the overtime I could until I was 50, then I backed off and let the younger guys that wanted to work have the extra hours.
No one will get ahead in this life unless your willing work hard, not looking for a shorter work week, or always looking forward to as many days off you can get.
You have to earn time off and it comes from hard work. Yes there are some good ones , but not enough, I have talked with business owners small and large and they are having the same issues, majority don't want to work. Like the article says there is a problem in the U.S and there is the same problem here in Canada.
Not showing up for work on time , sitting in the smoke shack 10 minutes before break, 10 minutes after break same for lunch breaks and afternoon breaks. They make some money, then decide they don't want to show up for work, always call in sick on a Monday or Friday.
Many of them get fired, there are some good ones , but far and few between. I have talked with quite a few younger people in there 30s, who tell me they wish they could retire, Ha, I just shake my head, when i started working I never thought of retirement other than plan and save for one day when I was going to.
I enjoyed working, and I worked all the overtime I could until I was 50, then I backed off and let the younger guys that wanted to work have the extra hours.
No one will get ahead in this life unless your willing work hard, not looking for a shorter work week, or always looking forward to as many days off you can get.
You have to earn time off and it comes from hard work. Yes there are some good ones , but not enough, I have talked with business owners small and large and they are having the same issues, majority don't want to work. Like the article says there is a problem in the U.S and there is the same problem here in Canada.
SG John
Ambassador of Cool Guitars and Amps.
Maybe they should pay better. You certainly can't live in New England or many other places for $25. 00 an hour. One thing about covid, other than a bunch of people being removed from the work force by illness or death... Many boomers retired. There was all of a sudden a huge vacuum in the work force, where people moved up. I know many service industry people who took good jobs with real pay and benefits. They're actually using that degree they got while waiting on the great unwashed at bars or restaurants. They still keep one or two nights bartending because a few hundred in cash tips is still a few hundred in cash tips. But, they are not going to go back to sacrificing their health to wait on tables. Before people get too hard on people not wanting to work, you have to realize many people don't want to take a crappy job. Especially for low pay. There have been some new options.We have the same problem here in Canada..
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Just an example I see hiring signs everywhere, including mechanical plants and fabrication shops $25.00 Hr plus benefits, they can't get people to work. Thats just a tip of the iceberg..
The machine tool industry has always been notoriously cheap. I keep getting calls and emails from head hunters with wonderful positions that come nowhere close to my pay and benefits. The laser additive industry and other tech start ups are much better regarding pay and benefits. If I make a move at all it will be in additive, whether it's DED or SLM makes no difference to me. I'll never go back to being a machinist. The pay is garbage compared to what you need to know, and for what you're trying to achieve. To strive for perfection, and hoping you can stay in that window of .0002" - .005" (depending on job) at all times is highly stressful. I don't know the stats these days, but it used to be machinists took their jobs home with them more than cops did. There was always high numbers of alcoholism, drug dependency, and suicide in the trade.
We agree more than disagree Norm. But I guess I’ve been lucky. The few “kids” that have passed thru the places I’ve worked, for the most part, came to work on time. Worked hard. Got dirty and greasy. Were an asset to the employer. There just wasn’t enough of them to replace us old guys that are/were retiring.
mcblink
Ambassador of Riffs & Spliffs
The average Washingtonian needs to make $31.33 per hour (working full-time) to afford a two-bedroom apartment (not house). 25 bucks ain't exactly gonna cut it... Especially if you're looking for skilled workers such as fabricators and machinists. These people invested a lot of time, and most probably money of their own, becoming educated/trained/or otherwise learning these skills. Is it really too much to ask that they are compensated enough to not only pay their rent or mortgages, but that maybe they can eat this week too?We have the same problem here in Canada..
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Just an example I see hiring signs everywhere, including mechanical plants and fabrication shops $25.00 Hr plus benefits, they can't get people to work. Thats just a tip of the iceberg..
The days where the average adult male could work 40 hours a week at the local factory and earn enough to buy a home and a car and put a wife and kids in it and raise a family are long gone lol
While I agree that there are (and always have been) those who don't want to work, I also don't have any problems with seeing WHY there seems to be more and more of that happening. For young people to learn the VALUE of their hard work, they need to be VALUED. Clearly, with attitudes and headlines and articles like that one, they aren't. No mystery here to me.
Sapient
Ambassador of Vocal Inspiration
Me, even thinking about replying to this thread:
Next morning, Ghostman trying to get his breakfast at his favorite morning stop that has closed due to lack of employees ...
