Herman Li Plays $120.00 Guitar and Does a Setup

eSGEe said:
but the second its recorded and run through this .....
its "processed"
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the minute a microphone pics up the sound records it in any manner and regurgitates it through the internet a cassette tape your phone anything --- its PROCESSED.

the only pure tone is the one in the room with the musician at that moment
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People poo-poo Def Leppard's Pyromania for being over-produced....LOL

The album sold six million copies in the US in its original release (about 100,000 copies per week for much of 1983) and it has since sold over ten million copies as of 2004 and was subsequently certified diamond.

During one amazing period in August, 1983, the album climbed to No.2 on the Billboard chart – second only to Thriller. “We actually outsold Thriller for one week,” Elliott says, “but that just happened to be the week that the Flashdance soundtrack went to No.1, with us at two and Jacko at three.”

On September 17, 1983 Def Leppard arrived in San Diego, California for the Pyromania tour’s 117th and final stop on the US mainland. It turned out to be the biggest headline show of the band’s career up to then, with 55,000 fans packing the Jack Murphy Stadium to see Leppard plus support acts Mötley Crüe, Uriah Heep and Eddie Money.... :-)
 
eSGEe said:
uhm hardly........... (seriosuly WTF are you DOING with your amps????) I know solid state amp owners (including katana owners) who have had them for years with NO ISSUES:
My Son has an AC1 VOX Rhythm that is 8 years old ish ?? No issues no implosions
Ive owned a laney Micro Lionheart several years its just fine no explosions use it 2-3 times a week
The Orange Crush 20 is at least 12 years old.... zero issues...
I have a Peavey Bandit that is from 1992 ish era??? still hasnt blown up hasnt had any issues .... still works great --
I owned one of these as MY ONLY AMP for 9 years when I lived in the keys .......worked perfectly well every time I used it...
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And -- feel free to spend some time researching THIS VERY FORUM -- go all through it end to end and count the number of posts and threads devoted to
"my expensive tube amp (insert model name number here________) has crapped the bed...sounds horrible... broke ... let me down ... needs repair............needs hundreds of $ MORE spent on it -- Etc etc etc

then count how many posts and threads are devoted to "My solid state amp "broke needs repair let me down etc etc etc.)

the numbers are not even CLOSE ........


The reality is if it wasnt for BILLIONS of non pro home hackers and closet players BUYING ALL THIS GEAR we wouldnt have the level of technology quality and products we have today

And Epiphone and Squire and all would not be worth the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS the respective companies make from their "low end" marques

as always some just dont get it and never will ...... here is a SIMPLE graphic for you

IF YOUR MARIO ANDRETTI YOU NEED THIS TO HAVE FUN AND MAKE "MUSIC"
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If your a working stiff w/ 2 kids and a mortgage you can have fun with this while making YOUR MUSIC and still paying the mortgage

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notice Bogner Friedman and MANY other "boutique tube amp makers" as well as the "big guys" are jumping on the small micro head solid state amp band wagon??? Ever wonder why??
maybe 1500-3,000.00 high wattage stadium killing tube amp stacks are .......... (wait for it)..................not SELLING in the quantities they once did and they are STRUGGLE now to catch up with Hotone and Joyo and Behringer and the companies who have catered to the HOME player and hobbiest ???? becasue now there are WAY more home players and less sold out million seat arenas. ????

does it make tube -- or solid state better or worse -- nope -

but the level of low end gear has certainly come a LONG DAMN WAY from this
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Those Kantana amps are failing all over the place....and because it costs more to fix it than the price of a new one...
But it was just one example of the disposable culture we live in.
 
Robert Herndon said:
I would disagree specifically with respect to the comment "Buy more stuff from China." I do not see it that way. I see it more from the standpoint that budget gear is more than capable of giving you good results and the average player doesn't need a $3,000 guitar.
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If it was made in USA to support the USA economy, I might feel differently.
But then again if it was made in USA, it wouldn't break so often. Would it?

I mean if I bought it from Fender, there would be parts, schematics and support, as always.
See the difference?
 
Amp Mad Scientist said:
Those Kantana amps are failing all over the place....and because it costs more to fix it than the price of a new one...
But it was just one example of the disposable culture we live in.
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that we do I am not arguing that point at all.... find a TV repair man these days !!!! OR A REFRIDGERATOR repair man !!!
My mother has an OLVIE GREEN BURST washer and dryer that are ALMOST as old as me .... still work -- no issues
I have to replace mine every 3-5 years it seems........ HHHMMMMMMMMM
????? new stuff is disposable to a point agreed
 
Amp Mad Scientist said:
If it was made in USA to support the USA economy, I might feel differently.
But then again if it was made in USA, it wouldn't break so often. Would it?

I mean if I bought it from Fender, there would be parts, schematics and support, as always.
See the difference?
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but the 5 billion people who bought SQUIRES have kept Fender afloat so you can buy a Fender....... volume covers profits--
boutique high end stuff drives the brand overall value.

--again look to the management and share holders of BIG CORP USA -- build to a PRICE POINT not to PRIDE OF BRAND-- (sorry that aint CHinas fault brother thats good ol GREED--)

lets face it for the most part Fender and Gibson are milking 1950's models and "innovations" to survive ........ and they have to find new ways to make profit margins increase while luring in a less than "ROCK N ROLL" geared generation.....
 
Amp Mad Scientist said:
And who made Herman Li a "rock star?"
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Herman's skill...

DragonForce has now sold in excess of 350,000 copies in America alone, over 85,000 in the UK and 600,000 worldwide, spawning the US Gold single 'Through The Fire And Flames', thereby giving DragonForce the cachet of being the most successful new British metal act in America for two decades!


Or live if you prefer....


Sounds the same...
 
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Amp Mad Scientist said:
Those Kantana amps are failing all over the place....and because it costs more to fix it than the price of a new one...
But it was just one example of the disposable culture we live in.
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Hmmmm....I have not seen anything that suggests that is a normal event.

We have several katana's at the music academy - and a number of Spider 240 V Mk II's - and they never break, despite getting throw into vans, dropped off the stage and abused in general....I don't know who could be harder on amps and equipment than us.

This is just one rehearsal room, there are multiple classrooms with these amps in them too.

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eSGEe said:
gonna play devils advocate here too --because this is a point that I keep also CLUEING YOU ALL IN TO and "no one gets it"

Dear sir --- EVERY THING RECORDED YOU HEAR be it a recording of Etta James from the 50's to the newest top 40 hit just released YESTERDAY --
its ALL PROCESED -- period end of story

ONLY the guitar and amp (drums whatever) you hear in a given room at that given moment is precisely "as it sounds" ...and that is only IN THAT ROOM -- move tht same band to a larger or smaller room the sound will change record it.... and it beomes processed --period

so if you listen to mr Li on a kemper and mr li on a fender black face twin and mr Li on a dumble ...........on your computer --- through youtube .....its processed.....its all multilevel




If people have a PROBLEM with all the stuff MADE IN CHINA/OVERSEAS -- talk to the Owners, Mgmt. and Share holders at Fender and Gibson and PRS (ALL OF THEM) Friedman --HOOVER-- Kenmore--CHEVY-- etc etc -- because its the PROFIT MARGINS they are reaping ........ to USE foreign labor that is cheaper ..... that means the average joe buys a Squire over a USA Fender..... period end of story
nothing to do with quality (CNC machines arent prejudice)
nothing to do with how much tube amps sound better (to some)
nothing to do with HOLY GRAIL DUMBLES
has to do with the ALL MIGHTY $$$$$$$$$$
1 rich guy can buy a HIWATT STACK to play at home ...... 100,000 poor schmose can pony up for a Bugera V5 made in CHINA ..... not the schmose fault ...... should the schmoe be denied the ability to play?
SHould Behringer NOT make a good sounding amp that is affordable?
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I think you are misundersanding the comment: I'm talking about layers of digital effects and a digital amp model. You could plug anything into that mess and it would all sound the same. I had one of those Blackstar ID:Core things that I bought as a recording interface. It literally made every guitar you plugged into it sounds exactly the same, whether it was a Les Paul, Stratocaster or Casino. Mic'ing an actual amp will yield much more revealing results when switching from guitar to guitar in my experience.

And I have no inherent problem with imported gear. FFS, Marshalls are all imported if you live in the US, whether from the UK, Vietnam or China.
eSGEe said:
but the second its recorded and run through this .....
its "processed"
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the minute a microphone pics up the sound records it in any manner and regurgitates it through the internet a cassette tape your phone anything --- its PROCESSED.

the only pure tone is the one in the room with the musician at that moment
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Robert Herndon said:
People poo-poo Def Leppard's Pyromania for being over-produced....LOL

The album sold six million copies in the US in its original release (about 100,000 copies per week for much of 1983) and it has since sold over ten million copies as of 2004 and was subsequently certified diamond.

During one amazing period in August, 1983, the album climbed to No.2 on the Billboard chart – second only to Thriller. “We actually outsold Thriller for one week,” Elliott says, “but that just happened to be the week that the Flashdance soundtrack went to No.1, with us at two and Jacko at three.”

On September 17, 1983 Def Leppard arrived in San Diego, California for the Pyromania tour’s 117th and final stop on the US mainland. It turned out to be the biggest headline show of the band’s career up to then, with 55,000 fans packing the Jack Murphy Stadium to see Leppard plus support acts Mötley Crüe, Uriah Heep and Eddie Money.... :)
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Awrite, c'mon now you guys. If you listened to the clip, and I am sure you did, you know exactly what I am talking about but y'all are trying to make your point;)

I get it, but that tone he is rocking is sort of the classic teenager-plugged-into-a-Line6-and-diming-the-gain mess of a half dozen effects and digital artifacts that you hear in GCs. Any guitar you plug in will sound exactly alike. I dare him to try it through a Fender Twin and anyone here say it sounds just as good as that Strat.

Anyway, I look at it as play what you like. It's not about cheap vs. expensive or otherwise, it's about using what works to make the sounds you want. If you can find that sound in budget/beginner gear then I think you may be ahead of the curve.

I've owned plenty of inexpensive gear. None of it has stayed around very long because I find too many faults with the compromises that are made with 'price point' stuff (and if I'm being honest the cheap maps are way worse than the cheap guitars) - and I don't blame the companies that make it because of there weren't consumers pushing to make things cheaper, cheaper, cheaper all the time they would be more likely to focus on quality over price, as they did when we were all lads.
 
doesnt change the fact everything you --me --everyone-- hears -- outside of a live venue (and that often runs to front of house and a board as well) is processed in some form fashion manner level.
Every recorded tone is NON organic --it cant be ORGANIC once its recorded.

so what any of us are hearing at any given moment musically regardless of delivery conveyance is not EXACTLY what was played at the time it was "captured" --stored--saved and processed

so...

WHY THE HELL does any of it matter ?
pots caps pups -- TONE WOOD (DEARLORD! the TONEWOOD people-- oil thread anyone??)
speakers... wattages..... amp brands TUBES! -- why?
who really gives a flying tartan crap ?
only thing that MATTERS is if the songs good and makes people "move" in some way --- the rest is just ....... well STUFF
 
eSGEe said:
doesnt change the fact everything you --me --everyone-- hears -- outside of a live venue (and that often runs to front of house and a board as well) is processed in some form fashion manner level.
Every recorded tone is NON organic --it cant be ORGANIC once its recorded.

so what any of us are hearing at any given moment musically regardless of delivery conveyance is not EXACTLY what was played at the time it was "captured" --stored--saved and processed

so...

WHY THE HELL does any of it matter ?
pots caps pups -- TONE WOOD (DEARLORD! the TONEWOOD people-- oil thread anyone??)
speakers... wattages..... amp brands TUBES! -- why?
who really gives a flying tartan crap ?
only thing that MATTERS is if the songs good and makes people "move" in some way --- the rest is just ....... well STUFF
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I can dig that...

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bet not a one cares if you use a tube or solid state amp
500 k or 250 pots
or 10 or 8 gauge strings do they ?

Id wager a couple didnt even know what a POT was ....well other than a plant .................. :ROFLMAO:
 
eSGEe said:
--- the rest is just ....... well STUFF
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I guess there were discussion's at the local bath house about how Michelangelo was using the wrong brushes (HORSE HAIR?!?!?! everyone knows lLAMA BALL SACK HAIR IS BEST!!!) -- or how he went with the wrong scaffold supplier........... or ?????

-- HOW COULD Paul Revere use THAT BRAND OF LAMP on his midnight ride ?!?!?!--- good LORD lucky he MADE it with that P.O.S. lamp!
yeah ... no .......

we are truly pampered ... blessed and very friggin board
 
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