Gibson '57 Classic/Classic+ or???

T-Tops are just...the greatest pickups ever.

Maybe in some genres, a low output T-top would be OK. They don't have enough output to suit me....and they are not that quiet....and they squeal at high stage volumes. I've encountered that with the old 1979 Les Paul Custom over the years...

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At one point, I spent a fortune for a genuine set of Gibson PAF's, thinking they had to be the holy grail of pickups...they were not...but, thankfully, I recovered my investment.

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At one point, I spent a fortune for a genuine set of Gibson PAF's, thinking they had to be the holy grail of pickups...they were not...but, thankfully, I recovered my investment.

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Robert,

Is that listing from an auction you won?

Okay, I get that they're original '59 PAFs, but that dude had better coughed up some airtight provenance!

(Don't get me started on the $20.00 shipping; that's just rude!)
 
Robert,

Is that listing from an auction you won?

Okay, I get that they're original '59 PAFs, but that dude had better coughed up some airtight provenance!

(Don't get me started on the $20.00 shipping; that's just rude!)

I missed that auction, but bought them from the same seller on the relisting. They checked out too and passed a scruitinous inspection when I sold them to a local collector a few months later. See, this is the thing, Smitty....I have spent the money for the "good" stuff, and I've played the "Holy Grail" guitars (like Mom's '58 Les Paul we recently liquidated) and they just didn't impress me....No flame, just my observations...And you don't even want to know how much I have spent on my cars....
 
Maybe in some genres, a low output T-top would be OK. They don't have enough output to suit me....and they are not that quiet....and they squeal at high stage volumes. I've encountered that with the old 1979 Les Paul Custom over the years...

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At one point, I spent a fortune for a genuine set of Gibson PAF's, thinking they had to be the holy grail of pickups...they were not...but, thankfully, I recovered my investment.

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Robert stop dicking around with my guitar and send it back .........geesh
 
no not that lump
this one
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Maybe in some genres, a low output T-top would be OK. They don't have enough output to suit me....and they are not that quiet....and they squeal at high stage volumes. I've encountered that with the old 1979 Les Paul Custom over the years..

I play hard rock and metal but I prefer the low output pickups. I find hot pickups to be too compressed and wooly sounding, kept trying different ones and was never happy with my tone until I went back to low output types. I have 10 tons of gain available in my amps so I don't need my pickups driving the front end hard. I just prefer the dynamics and ability to clean up that I get with lower-output pickups. Every guitar I have ever owned with T-Top has been dead-ass quiet, regardless of the amount of gain, and squeal hasn't really an issue either like it is with the modern unpotted pickups. For me, a set of T-tops with "70's style" wiring is the ticket, but I sure can see how that wouldn't be everyone's cuppa. Regardless, seems like we can agree that the much vaunted PAF's are not necessarily the end-all most people make them out to be.
 
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Yeah, I often like that too. If the pickup has a growl to it, and that may be 7-8k in the neck, then depending on amp/pedals, I can do all I want to do with it.
 
Regardless, seems like we can agree that the much vaunted PAF's are not necessarily the end-all most people make them out to be.
The thing with PAF's is there is absolutely no consistency. Either coil could be either under or overwound, so a pickup could have more on the slug coil or screw coil, underwound as a whole or overwound as a whole. The magnet called for in the patent was A5 but in reality could be any Alnico type & even lengths varied. As such there is no real one definitive PAF tone. One thing I find interesting is that though the original patent called for an A5 magnet, many PAF type clones use an A2, even the Burstbucker 1/2/3 & the 57C/57+. Aside from that, I also prefer lower output pickups, though I do have a couple of high output equipped guitars. Cheers
 
Found this old video of my 2016 Gibson SG with a GFS Alinco II PAF clone in the bridge - 7.93k @ 56 degrees Fahrenheit - straight into a DSL40C.

 
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That's golden advice. My aunt, a very successful swing guitarist in Fort Worth during the Great Depression was similarly helpful to me, although the fly swatter across the hand if I hung my thumb over the fretboard is sort of a mixed memory.........
Do you do that for long term storage only, or every time you finish playing?
 
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