FENDER FUSE-- alert-- and m my FUSE is now SHORTER!

eSGEe

eSGEe

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Fender--- has Unceremoniously PULLED the plug on FUSE software-----

so -- my NEW Super Champ ---- cant connect to a non existent platform --- which is O.K. I guess. I rarely used it anyway -- as in so far NEVER on this amp -- used it on the Mustang series amps (which I have none of at present)

SO --- if your looking for a good cheap MODELING amp WITH SUPPORTED SOFTWARE --- look ELSEWHERE
(Vox VTx series for instance)

if you want (what I assume will be REALLY CHEAP amps once everyone learns they dont have software downloads) but make GREAT amps with what is pre loaded ONBOARD ---
ALSO helpful in negotiating if you want one---- ;)


Sad I really LIKED the FUSE platform :(

Oh well ...................................
 
I try to hoard presets and software for any of my modeling devices that I can. I can't count the presets I downloaded for my Digitech RP360. When it goes away, I have a multitude of cds lying around to help. That doesn't work with all platforms, but I do that for the ones that will.
 
Heck, I still have an early 90’s Compaq laptop running Windows 3.1. Boots and runs fine. Too bad I didn’t save any apps other than the original Wolfenstein :dood:
 
Don O said:
Was it just an app that connected to the amp, or did ya have to log into a Fender site for it to work (which would really suck)?
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yes the site---

it no longer "exists" --
this is all ya get


this is what you USED to get


Now I am "pissed" -- in that HAD I KNOWN I may have gone with a diffrent amp head than the Super Champx2 --- however I a great deal on it--
it sounds WONDERFUL with the existing hardware that is IN it for the models and effects----

and as stated even when I had full access to FUSE I might have USED the software ------10 hours tops -- a YEAR---- so Im guessing OTHERS were about the same as me and the cost to keep the thing functional may have been .........not worth it>/???


WIll VOX do the same with the VTX software ??? I guess maybe one day --- yes.......
 
Yargnad said:
This was my argument in the thread about will tubes ever go away. This behavior is by design. Planned obsolescence is the standard gameplan for all digital platforms.

Ive been burned by this with all my Apple iDevices, my Digitech xstomp, my Vue - now Arlo - IP cams, my multiple Eyefi SD cards for DSLRs, several Android devices, and about 50+ VST plugins. I'm sure I've got more devices I've neglected to mention. Anything that is coupled to internet services for functionality or activation will eventually be useless.

To be perfectly clear every single one of these devices and software still power on. They simply are unusable by design. The Apple devices can no longer install apps nor can the browser even be updated to support new security requirements so no web sites will load. The IP security cameras simply can't connect to the new cloud service that replaced the old. The Eyefi cards cannot be paired with cameras since the new cloud service doesn't support them. The VSTs still install and would work just fine IF they could be activated.

Burn me once shame on you. Burn me 10 times and I'm just an idiot to keep buying this stupid :poo:. There's almost nothing I like about the digital age anymore.
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This is the beauty of the Kemper. It has been around for a LONG time and it is still supported with constant updates and they are always FREE!

Some people may cry that it needs a re-design or a new model, but why mess with something that has already been perfected???

Plus it does not rely on the internet to function! If you have the unit and the presets it will continue to work until the hardware fails...
 
YEs Kempers are wonderfull pro level gear its also almost exactly 10 TIMES more expensive than the Fender Super Champ
230.00 vs 2,694 at AMS right now online----- er -- uhm---- thats a TON OF COIN for a feature I used----10 hours last year tops---


However the OTHER head I was looking at and ALMOST pulled the trigger on INSTEAD of the Fender was this
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ALL THAT SAID ---------- I am VERY HAPPY with the Fender and the main "clean" "BLACKFACE Princeton" channel 1 is stellar ---
the Channel two with
CHamp
Tweed Deluxe 2 versions clean and dirty
Bassman
Princeton 2 versions clean and dirty
65 deluxe
65 twin
60s british (clean and a dirty)
70's british
80's british
SuperSOnic
90s metal
2000's metal
and the wonderful Fender JAZZMASTER clean SS amp model---

then factor in 5 built in effects

really--- all that is MORE than I will ever use--

I find the Clean channel or the Dirty Tweed Deluxe are my favorites and that really is about all I use -----frankly I wont REALLY MISS the FUSE software for this amp--- but I do call
"bad form" Fender.BAD form.



I do find it odd however many folks are "o.k." with a FAKE modelling tone from an amp---- even PRAISE its tone and function---but show them a CHIBSON and they go into tirades and lawsuit threats (or worse burn it destroy it JAIL THE OWNER etc) over the FAKE and LIE and misuse and theft blah blah of the GUITAR TM or Copywrite -- or patent--

Is Kemper PAYING all the different companies -- who make all the different amps it models a royalty? MAybe that explains the cost?



SO what say you on the forums
Was the Blackstar 1 HT a BETTER amp?
 
I would have bought the Blackstar of the two. Maybe an Egnater Tweaker would be a little more flexible. I had one of those. It wasn't a bad little amp.
 
this
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and this
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and even 1 of these were contemplated
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Ultimately though each requires-- pedals-- or attenuation or some other STUFF to get tones you can use from it--

this
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really does fine all on its onesies.....
 
eSGEe said:
YEs Kempers are wonderfull pro level gear its also almost exactly 10 TIMES more expensive than the Fender Super Champ
230.00 vs 2,694 at AMS right now online----- er -- uhm---- thats a TON OF COIN for a feature I used----10 hours last year tops---


However the OTHER head I was looking at and ALMOST pulled the trigger on INSTEAD of the Fender was this
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ALL THAT SAID ---------- I am VERY HAPPY with the Fender and the main "clean" "BLACKFACE Princeton" channel 1 is stellar ---
the Channel two with
CHamp
Tweed Deluxe 2 versions clean and dirty
Bassman
Princeton 2 versions clean and dirty
65 deluxe
65 twin
60s british (clean and a dirty)
70's british
80's british
SuperSOnic
90s metal
2000's metal
and the wonderful Fender JAZZMASTER clean SS amp model---

then factor in 5 built in effects

really--- all that is MORE than I will ever use--

I find the Clean channel or the Dirty Tweed Deluxe are my favorites and that really is about all I use -----frankly I wont REALLY MISS the FUSE software for this amp--- but I do call
"bad form" Fender.BAD form.



I do find it odd however many folks are "o.k." with a FAKE modelling tone from an amp---- even PRAISE its tone and function---but show them a CHIBSON and they go into tirades and lawsuit threats (or worse burn it destroy it JAIL THE OWNER etc) over the FAKE and LIE and misuse and theft blah blah of the GUITAR TM or Copywrite -- or patent--

Is Kemper PAYING all the different companies -- who make all the different amps it models a royalty? MAybe that explains the cost?



SO what say you on the forums
Was the Blackstar 1 HT a BETTER amp?
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$230 ten times for 10 amps or $1800 for a Kemper one time for 1000's of amps...

...and NO Kemper is not paying anyone a dime. Some in the amp community cry foul on the Kemper, but
nowhere near as loudly or vehemently as with the Chibsons....
 
I get your math-- however---Im not a recording studio-- artist--gigging musician, pro-- etc--

--complete transparency I own 8 amps --- the sum combined total financial investment is under 800.00 for all 8 combined-- total-- delivered--
---I dont NEED, those-- any 1 of the 8 would suffice for my skill/ability/need-- all of the 8 I got at prices I can break even or triple my "in" -- ;)
---except apparently the Fender .........

I am honest enough in my ability (lack of) and talent as a "musician" to know ----I REALLY do not need them--- and, I have zero x's infinity use for a 2600.00 or 1800.00 amp in any form or fashion ----

yes--- Modeling tech seems more acceptable........interesting

maybe goes back to Harleys loss of the laswsuit trying to patent a SOUND?
 
Now that said I do like trying different things -- and I will most certainly TRY other cheap amps-- and sell/trade them off to try other amps-- no doubt-- but the Kemper is a level I have no desire to
1. pay for
2 figure out how to use
3 or attempt o flip----
and can you imagine the amount of SOLDERING INSIDE ONE OF THOSE?!?!?!?!? -- do they real have pixie dust and unicorn farts in them???? How does that get contained safely???

that said if I find one at a garage sale for 200.00 youc an DAMN SURE BET ILL BUY IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! buwahahahahahah and flip it within 48 hours ;) for $$$$$$$$$$$$
 
Any computer based hardware technology(like the Kemper) that requires connection to a computer to update, or reload the operating system, will likely end up in the bin eventually. Eventually the manufacturers will give up on updating drivers as operating systems continue to evolve, and connection protocols change. FireWire is a good example...back when FireWire first came out, it was a far superior connection method to USB for audio applications. Now you’re hard pressed to find drivers for early FireWire interfaces. USB was just too well entrenched, and able to be improved upon eventually, while remaining backwards compatible.
The jump from 32bit to 64bit processing meant the end was nigh for many other expensive pieces of studio hardware too, as their developers found it too costly or time consuming to find a way to work around the change for a five year old piece of hardware....even if you did dump nearly $3K on it. You had to find your own workaround...if you could.
Ten to fifteen years, seems to be what you may expect as a best case scenario from computer based hardware. Depending upon when, in the product’s life span, you purchase...and the build quality and dependence upon a computer host for functionality.
 
IF YOU MAKE IT--- 42 min in the FRAMUS this bald fellow plays is GORGEOUS!!! and look how THICK IT IS !!!!!
 
A technology based music device may not last forever, and ultimately will be replaced with a shiny new model, usually with a boatload of new features that are a great improvement, and an interface that makes it easier to use than ever. By way of reverse implication, one would be led to believe that tube amps are these eternal vampire-like creatures that last forever. But that is only partially true. This ignores the fact that
- tubes need to be changed regularly. New tubes are commonly deemed to be inferior to NOS tubes by the same people who will remind you that tubes are here to stay.
- Half the time, tubes need to be biased. If you can do this yourself, you will need equipment...probes, meters, and to be safe, a method to discharge the caps so you don't die. If you cannot do it, it will run you $90 an hour and take quite some effort to find a skillful amp tech in many areas. You may need to travel a bit.
- power transformers die and need to be replaced. This can happen instantly if you forget to connect a cord, connect an inadequate cord, or have a faulty connection with a cord to the required load. If you cannot change it yourself, that will cost you $90 hour
- output transformers die and need to be replaced. If you cannot change it yourself, that will cost you $90 hour
- Capacitors and resistors need to be replaced. But before you can do this, you need to figure out which of them needs replacing. This is not a simple endeavour. If you cannot do this yourself, that will cost you $90 hour
- NOS capacitors and resistors are often thought to be necessary to get the "classic tone" of tube amps. Same issue as tubes.
- if you try to work on your amp and make a mistake, you can die. No additional fees are involved here.

Managing the above is outside the skill set of most users, yet it is a regular part of an amp's existence. This must be taken into account when comparing it to the relative life span of digital equipment. Many would prefer to have a comparable tone from digital equipment and avoid these issues with tube amps, which are difficult and stressful, just as many would like to lease a car and avoid having to make repairs as a car gets old. Whether you can get a comparable tone from a tube amp is another debate. However, in my opinion, the cost and efforts of maintaining a tube amp is equal to or greater than the need for the periodic replacement of digital equipment, especially when you throw the risk of death into the mix.
 
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