Don't Worry If You Don't Sound Perfect - My Isolated Rhythm Guitar

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Whenever possible, I like to have the sound-person record my guitar so I can go back and critique myself later on. Only my Blackstar and my Marshall VS265 have the capability to do this without muting the speaker. The DSL40C can only perform this function when I am running the Weber Attenuator.

So, recently, I stood-in for a 80's cover band on rhythm guitar, playing everything from memory by song title. I was able to get the soundman (in this case) to record my guitar direct from the amp, one track, on center, and cut me a CD of it the next day.

The song I picked for this demonstration was the Scorpion's 'Rock You Like a Hurricane.'

ok, so the fact of the matter is, sometimes really outstanding songs don't sound that great when you hear the isolated tracks. Some of my beginning students get discouraged when they don't get it 100% right everytime, so I like to remind them of how Randy Rhoads never played the same phrase twice in many of his songs. A good example would be 'Flying High Again' where he is constantly adding little things to his phrases.

I found a video of Scorpion's performing this song at the Oakland Coliseum on 08/31/1985. It's a very cool video, but not for the reasons you might expect. Rudolf totally blows his rhythm parts at 0:13 - 0:15 playing D# - F - F# instead of the correct arrangement of D# - F# -G# and Matthias tuning openly between 0:36 - 0:47 respectively, but all in all, the song just rocks and goes off without a hitch.

I've included it here for your enjoyment:


Ok, so when we did 'Rock You Like A Hurricane,' the song came off really good. MY chainsaw tone (on my 1987 Squirecaster with 500T/496R) really cut through the mix and was not competing with the bass for it's place in the tonal spectrum.

However, having listened to the playback, I noticed a couple of places where my timing was a bit off and in one of those places, the drummer didn't come in at the right time and I feel like we all 'stumbled' a little. However, people listening to the show (other guitarists) didn't notice any of this when they heard it and they said it sounded really tight.

So, I would say not to be discouraged in the least, because live songs are not always perfect!!!

Here's my isolated rhythm for the entire song 4:22 long There is a silent interlude from 3:11 to 3:24. No effects were added to my guitar, but the 'bleed' from the other instruments was scrubbed for the purpose of clarity. (My NS-2 was in use)

Rock You Like a Hurricane - My Isolated Rhythm Guitar Track

I didn't realize I played two phrases differently until I listened to the playback, but you probably would never be able to pick the different parts out in the completed song, because the notes are the same, but in a different register.

I certainly do not expect you to listen to the entire (boring) 4:22, but hopefully this will give you a look into an other wise great song that, when broken down, doesn't sound that great!!!

Wishing you all the best...Robert
 
I like hearing stuff like this. Sometimes when I’m playing rythym it seems so simple. I keep having to force myself to just play my part and don’t get fancy. It’s all about making the song sound better for the audience. Thanks for posting that track.
 
If they do not notice timing, imagine hpw little they notice which capacitors you have, or which pickup magnets, or anything about your guitar other than the color and shape
And in a live situation, a glitch or two in timing in one bar goes by so fast that people have forgotten it by the start of the next. Guitarists can get away with quite a lot, really. Steady drummers are a lot more important!

Very nice work, Robert (or should I call you Rudolf?)! RYLAH is a killer song.
 
If they do not notice timing, imagine hpw little they notice which capacitors you have, or which pickup magnets, or anything about your guitar other than the color and shape

Exactly! Huge timing anomalies will be apparent, but the subtle mis-steps are buried in the mix.
 
And in a live situation, a glitch or two in timing in one bar goes by so fast that people have forgotten it by the start of the next. Guitarists can get away with quite a lot, really. Steady drummers are a lot more important!

Very nice work, Robert (or should I call you Rudolf?)! RYLAH is a killer song.

Oh yes. Classic! I got a kick out of Rudolf still rocking out even when he missed the notes!
 
If they do not notice timing, imagine hpw little they notice which capacitors you have, or which pickup magnets, or anything about your guitar other than the color and shape

What I am doing now, with magnets, pots, caps, pickup ohms ratings, etc., is using them to get the "Chainsaw Tone," (produce an effect) rather than look for the subtle nuances from those individual parts...
 
Now, that's the thing. Things could always be better, but a lot of times they don't have to. And when things are perfect, they run the risk of being sterile.

Very true!!!! Like in the studio where an engineer may have you re-track a solo 25 or 30 times (or more) until it's perfect, but it will never be that perfect live!!!!
 
a glitch or two in timing in one bar goes by so fast that people have forgotten it by the start of the next. Guitarists can get away with quite a lot, really. Steady drummers are a lot more important!

Gahr said it very well.

It makes me think of this guy. There is a marked and sharp contrast between a guy like Ringo or Simon Kirke to drummers like Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, and Danny Carey who all can play songs filled with odd timing flawlessly with their band mates. As I learned to drum, Simon and his advice sank in. In an instructional vid of his, he gives a history of how he learned to play and how he got gigs in the beginning. He played along to records for hours on end and got the timing down. Since he was essentially a player with flawless timing, he was able to garner lots of work.

I am sure even Robert would agree how any bass, keyboard and guitar players could easily accompany him and sound great if they did their part.


 
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