Depression:

None of the shamanic plants are addictive, nor harmful. Robert knows what he is doing. This is more akin to entering a church than it is finding yourself in the crackhouse on the corner. Entheogens should not be looked at the same way as "drugs", but rather, useful gifts to mankind. They are sacred, ancient, and we are literally hardwired to accept, and use them.

Robert is not abusing drugs, rather, he is going on a spiritual journey, a pilgrimage of sorts. A "reset", if you will. Frankly it's something I'm due for as well.

It's generally a totally foreign concept to most.
 
Interesting to me, after going through such deep depression, and then sharing my recovery, people herein seem so shocked.

I guess its a good thing i haven't described some of the things i have seen and discovered along my path....
I was surprised to hear of your depression. As an outsider looking at your accomplishments, I would think you would be pleased with the world you have around you. You have a beautiful wife, a loving family, musical skills beyond my comprehension, mechanical skills that many professionally employed parts changers wish they had, you live in beautiful surroundings... What more could any man ask for?
 
None of the shamanic plants are addictive, nor harmful. Robert knows what he is doing. This is more akin to entering a church than it is finding yourself in the crackhouse on the corner. Entheogens should not be looked at the same way as "drugs", but rather, useful gifts to mankind. They are sacred, ancient, and we are literally hardwired to accept, and use them.

Robert is not abusing drugs, rather, he is going on a spiritual journey, a pilgrimage of sorts. A "reset", if you will. Frankly it's something I'm due for as well.

It's generally a totally foreign concept to most.

It is certainly a journey, but its a journey that many look down upon. Its difficult because you cant really share what you are experiencing.

Thanks for the positive words, Guys...
 
I was surprised to hear of your depression. As an outsider looking at your accomplishments, I would think you would be pleased with the world you have around you. You have a beautiful wife, a loving family, musical skills beyond my comprehension, mechanical skills that many professionally employed parts changers wish they had, you live in beautiful surroundings... What more could any man ask for?

I struggle sometimes even though i feel blessed in so many respects. Its been very hard to keep going here the past few months. Its not easy to understand, nor even explain, but i go through some really dark times.
 
I'm super stoked that you found something that works for you. I'm hoping the near future finds more uses for natural substances. My wife and I watched a documentary that showed some of the advantages of these types of things.

In one study, the Psilocybin was used to treat deep depression. Most of the test subjects were healed permanently, and the rest showed almost complete reversal but needed small doses after several months. All of them had immediate relief though which was shocking for all.

I've seen the effects of mushrooms first hand, but I have not gone down that rabbit hole myself.
Look into Ibogaine if those sorts of documentaries interest you. That one is super interesting to me. Just as with psilocybin and depression, this stuff seems to break addiction with a single use, and there are no withdrawal effects, even for opiate addiction. Yet, because it also causes hallucinations, it has been looked down on pretty hard, and remains a Schedule I controlled substance in the US. Yep, the same US that complains about the opioid epidemic, and putting "free" narcan in vending machines all over the place, but isn't willing to look at a plant that has the potential to wipe out opioid addiction for good (or any other chemical dependence) because of self righteous and sanctimonious overzealous moralists. Not to mention that big pharma would poop their pants over it. How are they going to make money if their drugs aren't being pushed and sold and used?

In any case, the fact that legal status has held us back from learning about these plants and what they contain, how it can be used, etc.....it annoys the living poop out of me. Humans can be incredibly short-sighted creatures. This is a prime example of exactly that. We are now at a point where, yeah, we know that psilocybin can be an EXTREMELY effective treatment for depression, and yet, the majority of people just think "oh, just some dirty hippies getting high again" and so it remains illegal. It's not addictive, it's not harmful, and I have never even heard of a "mushroom addict" because they don't exist.
Why this remains illegal is because it scares those with less-than-open mindsets.

I think shrooms have some recreational value. People eat them because they can be fun. But in this instance, that's not even what's happening.

I dunno if you guys have ever snorted tobacco (snuff) but it's not necessarily fun. It burns, it stings, the drip tastes awful, etc... And this is just regular tobacco. Rapé contains a very much stronger variety of tobacco, a variety that you wouldn't want to use in a cigarette or anything else, it's much more potent (and unpleasant) and that's why it's used in this particular concoction. It's also usually blown into the nose through a tube by another person, rather than sucked into one's nasal passages on their own.

It's really kinda like if people were to get all upset that there's alcohol in the communion wine and therefore all those who partake in the sacrament must be alcoholics and need help. Haha
 
For anyone who is contemplating these journey's, please do some research on what to expect and how it should be handled. For my friend who went on their journey, we didn't know a lot of things about the environment in which it took place. We read up on the health risks and what the effects were, but there was so much missing information on what the proper way it should be taken.

Things like, covering up mirrors in the space, not to leave them alone for more than a few moments. Also, we were not aware of how highly sensitive you become to simple things like lights and textures in the space.

As the sober/control person in the room, it was somewhat scary to watch, but also, enlightening to hear the experience. For my friend, they have never had the ability to imagine things, images, or hear an inner dialogue. While they were under, and even after, they were able to see things in their mind and hear things which completely freaked them out.

Another aspect of doing these types of things, is that your intention is highly influential to your experience. If you have the intention to heal, your journey will be vastly different than if you just want to go on a psychedelic trip. The person I was with was trying to cope with past experiences which led them down a certain path.
 
For anyone who is contemplating these journey's, please do some research on what to expect and how it should be handled. For my friend who went on their journey, we didn't know a lot of things about the environment in which it took place. We read up on the health risks and what the effects were, but there was so much missing information on what the proper way it should be taken.

Things like, covering up mirrors in the space, not to leave them alone for more than a few moments. Also, we were not aware of how highly sensitive you become to simple things like lights and textures in the space.

As the sober/control person in the room, it was somewhat scary to watch, but also, enlightening to hear the experience. For my friend, they have never had the ability to imagine things, images, or hear an inner dialogue. While they were under, and even after, they were able to see things in their mind and hear things which completely freaked them out.

Another aspect of doing these types of things, is that your intention is highly influential to your experience. If you have the intention to heal, your journey will be vastly different than if you just want to go on a psychedelic trip. The person I was with was trying to cope with past experiences which led them down a certain path.
You sound like a good trip sitter.
I've been the sitter once or twice too. Definitely can be unnerving to see.
 
Alcohol is a depressant, so if you are depressed stop drinking.

3. Sleep problems:
can be a factor. If you don't get good sleep, the world will seem hopeless.
So, do you sleep well, or not?

This is very, very true.

Alcohol also negatively affects your body's ability to properly uptake nutrition and it can even play havoc with your circadian rhythm. So, even if a person is "knocked out" from alcohol, the all-important role of sleep is severely compromised.
 
I remember my psychology professor in college way back in the '80s. She told us when she would get a patient in who was suffering from depression, she'd "prescribe" a nutritional diet and some form of aerobic exercise for 30 days before prescribing any other meds.

I forget the percentage, but a significant portion of her patients would find that they no longer needed therapy after this regimen.

Of course, I don't mean to suggest that all depression and anxiety can be treated merely by diet and exercise. Far from it! But, any treatment for depression should also address potential nutritional and fitness deficiencies.
 
This is very, very true.

Alcohol also negatively affects your body's ability to properly uptake nutrition and it can even play havoc with your circadian rhythm. So, even if a person is "knocked out" from alcohol, the all-important role of sleep is severely compromised.
Yeah, alcohol is poison. I do like my beer, but I don't try to fool myself into not knowing that it's poison lol
Drunken sleep is pretty worthless IME
 
I was surprised to hear of your depression. As an outsider looking at your accomplishments, I would think you would be pleased with the world you have around you. You have a beautiful wife, a loving family, musical skills beyond my comprehension, mechanical skills that many professionally employed parts changers wish they had, you live in beautiful surroundings... What more could any man ask for?
Clinical depression is a brain chemistry issue. While circumstances can certainly make things worse or better, brain chemistry needs to be corrected, however that may be.
It isn't a state of mind or an attitude.
 
I was surprised to hear of your depression. As an outsider looking at your accomplishments, I would think you would be pleased with the world you have around you. You have a beautiful wife, a loving family, musical skills beyond my comprehension, mechanical skills that many professionally employed parts changers wish they had, you live in beautiful surroundings... What more could any man ask for?

It is not unusual for some people to experience bouts of depression after some great accomplishment.

Sometimes, people in very humble circumstances are actually the most content and experience depression less than others.

There is truth to this part of “Proud Mary”, by Tina Turner:

“If you come down to the river
I bet you gonna find some people who live
And you don't have to worry if you got no money
People on the river are happy to give”
 
It is not unusual for some people to experience bouts of depression after some great accomplishment.

Sometimes, people in very humble circumstances are actually the most content and experience depression less than others.

There is truth to this part of “Proud Mary”, by Tina Turner:

“If you come down to the river
I bet you gonna find some people who live
And you don't have to worry if you got no money
People on the river are happy to give”
I believe that Proud Mary was covered by Ike & Tina, originally written by John Fogerty and recorded by CCR.

 
All i can say is that when i tried a dr's medication, it almost killed me.
Depends what med, what brain chemicals... psylocibin is a med, a chemical. It seems to have worked. Clinical depression cannot be "cured" by thinkjng positively. Nor can one avoid clinical depression by seeing all the good things in their life.
It helps, many things do, for sure. But not cure it.
Different meds, chemicals, therapies etc work for different people.
 
Depends what med, what brain chemicals... psylocibin is a med, a chemical. It seems to have worked. Clinical depression cannot be "cured" by thinkjng positively. Nor can one avoid clinical depression by seeing all the good things in their life.
It helps, many things do, for sure. But not cure it.
Different meds, chemicals, therapies etc work for different people.

I'm just going with what's making a difference.
 
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