Dean lost against Gibson

Jethro Rocker said:
Ah interesting. There we go. Lazy Leo!!
Seems like a Les Paul would be considered so common as well .
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Honestly, I think the general Les Paul shape would be easier for another company to defend using. Gibson didn't actually "invent" the basic shape. The Les Paul is really just a shrunken, solid-body, jazz guitar. The thought of using it as a rock instrument didn't come until the likes of Clapton and Beck in the late sixties, after Gibson discontinued it.

Anyway, the general shape of a rounded-body, single-cutaway guitar was firmly entrenched in the hollow-body jazz boxes of the day across multiple brand names. Of course, Gibson's version of that general shape, as applied to its solid-body guitar, is unique and recognizable to those of us who live in the land of guitars. And, Gibson is free to protest against those who make identical copies of what has become known as the "Les Paul shape", but Gibson really didn't do anything drastically innovative when they first incorporated the design. They merely applied the existing paradigm to their new solid-body.

As a side note, unrelated to the actual OP, I will say that I think the Gibson Les Paul is the most wonderfully executed design of a single-cutaway, solid-body guitar among all manufacturers. The proportions and aesthetic are quite beautiful, actually. I could certainly understand Gibson wanting to defend its particular iteration of the design.
 
Far Rider said:
Really glad I got my Dean V when I did.

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Sweet , Schenker V.
Pretty sad but Gibson is probably mad because Dean makes a better V.
I don' t need a front route with pick guard the size of Texas.
 
ibmorjamn said:
Sweet , Schenker V.
Pretty sad but Gibson is probably mad because Dean makes a better V.
I don' t need a front route with pick guard the size of Texas.
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Hmmmmm....

I've played quite a few different Dean models and I was unimpressed.

@Don O had a $1,400 Zelinski Custom, a Strat-esque model, and the tremolo would NOT return to pitch. It turned out to be a improperly routed cavity rubbing the tremolo block...

Those "traditional" construction methods (Gibson V) are demanded by the purists, even when better, simpler methods are available.
 
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Inspector #20 said:
Hmmmmm....

I've played quite a few different Dean models and I was unimpressed.

@Don O had a $1,400 Zelinski Custom, a Strat-esque model, and the tremolo would NOT return to pitch. It turned out to be a improperly routed cavity rubbing the tremolo block...

Those "traditional" construction methods (Gibson V) are demanded by the purists, even when better, simpler methods are available.
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I wouldn't be so quick to just dismiss some of those methods as "purist". I'm not disputing the "purist" mentality exists, but, in the case of the Flying V, I actually like the look of the pickguard. I don't feel beholden to any purist sentiment ... I just like the look. For me, it's an aesthetic preference. I think the pickguards give these guitars a more "blingy" look. Others don't like it at all - and that's okay!

Conversely, there are some traditional ideas that Gibson continues that I don't like. For example, I really don't like the front-mounted jack on the SG. Although Gibson has periodically made some models with a side-mounted jack, those are not especially common. I would gladly part ways with tradition on that account. Aesthetically, I think the front jack is a distraction, and it gets in the way if the guitar has a vibrato, unless you have a low-profile right-angle plug. I also don't like a front jack on the ES-335 - or the Flying V - for what it's worth.
 
smitty_p said:
I wouldn't be so quick to just dismiss some of those methods as "purist". I'm not disputing the "purist" mentality exists, but, in the case of the Flying V, I actually like the look of the pickguard. I don't feel beholden to any purist sentiment ... I just like the look. For me, it's an aesthetic preference. I think the pickguards give these guitars a more "blingy" look. Others don't like it at all - and that's okay!

Conversely, there are some traditional ideas that Gibson continues that I don't like. For example, I really don't like the front-mounted jack on the SG. Although Gibson has periodically made some models with a side-mounted jack, those are not especially common. I would gladly part ways with tradition on that account. Aesthetically, I think the front jack is a distraction, and it gets in the way if the guitar has a vibrato, unless you have a low-profile right-angle plug. I also don't like a front jack on the ES-335 - or the Flying V - for what it's worth.
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I really never gave these things much thought. I just used the equipment.

I always use a 90° jack on the SG and LP with a straight plug on the other end.

This allows the cable to "roll" as you move with the instrument and not kink.
 
Inspector #20 said:
I really never gave these things much thought. I just used the equipment.

I always use a 90° jack on the SG and LP with a straight plug on the other end.

This allows the cable to "roll" as you move with the instrument and not kink.
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I’ve always questioned the front mount Jack on an SG….. or in my case, G400. And, I also use a 90 on mine. So at the end of the day, no biggy. But it does seem to me the better place for it would be where almost everyone else has the output Jack mounted.
 
iblive said:
I’ve always questioned the front mount Jack on an SG….. or in my case, G400. And, I also use a 90 on mine. So at the end of the day, no biggy. But it does seem to me the better place for it would be where almost everyone else has the output Jack mounted.
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Yeah, it's not a big deal, I'm just not a fan of the appearance of a plain output jack the face of pretty much any guitar. Also, if you use a Maestro vibrato, there is less clearance between the arm and the body than there is with something like a Bigsby, so you need a low-profile plug to keep from interfering when swinging the arm back. Switchcraft or pancake connectors are usually fine, but I've seen some pretty bulky 90 degree plugs that might be a bit of a nuisance.

However, I do like the angled output jack on the face of the Stratocaster. I've always liked that, but it has nothing to do with some sense of obligation to tradition or purism. The very first time I saw a picture of a Strat - before I was even aware of a company called "Fender" or any of the squabbling over guitar tradition - I just thought the jack idea was interesting and cool-looking. It had its own decorative appeal to me. I think I may have seen my first Strat picture on an album cover or cassette case, or something.
 
Inspector #20 said:
Hmmmmm....

I've played quite a few different Dean models and I was unimpressed.

@Don O had a $1,400 Zelinski Custom, a Strat-esque model, and the tremolo would NOT return to pitch. It turned out to be a improperly routed cavity rubbing the tremolo block...

Those "traditional" construction methods (Gibson V) are demanded by the purists, even when better, simpler methods are available.
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Everyone likes what they like.
I had a chance to buy a Gibson V (White 2006)
I didn't like it at all but I do think if I found the right year.
I have had my Dean V since 2012 , I like it it sucks they can't make that model.
 
smitty_p said:
Conversely, there are some traditional ideas that Gibson continues that I don't like. For example, I really don't like the front-mounted jack on the SG. Although Gibson has periodically made some models with a side-mounted jack, those are not especially common. I would gladly part ways with tradition on that account. Aesthetically, I think the front jack is a distraction, and it gets in the way if the guitar has a vibrato, unless you have a low-profile right-angle plug. I also don't like a front jack on the ES-335 - or the Flying V - for what it's worth.
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Yeah I agree. I will go so far as to say I don't care for the blocky LP neck joint. The smooth one on the LP Modern is far superior. Plus the body sculpting.
Never prevented me from buying an LP though.



 
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