Are People on Youtube Deaf?

I listened 2 x without watching. 1 time watching. My conclusion was the same in all 3.

Fender sounded more muted,
Squier Brighter in all 3 positions.

Heard differences obviously,

Conclusion, Liked both equally. Could see a 2 or 3 guitar band using both simultaneously and getting a nice blend of both to achieve a nice song.
 
Mr Grumpy said:
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Let's conflate two two ideas: people hear sound differently and for different reasons. Also, everybody, to some extent, hears in a different range, and some folks have poor hearing (medically speaking, but also upon a range - they just don't have the physical hearing capacity that most/many other folks have). Now, I'll add, it's very frustrating when people refuse to use their brain, think for themselves, research information for themselves from a variety of sources because they'd rather read a tweet then follow the heard they've aligned themselves with. Of course, this is a known feature of a place like Youtube (and most social media) - it doesn't have to be that way, and folks use social media for different reasons in different ways, but it's well known/well researched that the majority of folks use social media to reinforce their bias; i.e. they'd rather go to a site/poster with views they align with and just take the tweet/post as gospell rather than research, fact-check, find new ideas, and be challenged.

Thus, we have - and I think, in retrospect, this is my original point that I would have liked to have made, and now you folks have helped me to make it:

1) Some folks don't hear difference in sounds for whatever reason - this may be good bad or indifferent, but there is difference in sounds, and they simply are not able to notice all the information; they simply hear a subset of the information. They may want to do that ("all I want is a tele sound"), or they may not ("I cannot hear a dime of difference").

2) Heard mentality/cognitive dissonance/low attention span/lack of willingness to personality research and learn is rife around social media.

I'll stop there and just keep to this narrow example: it's strange when a thread seems to have been hijacked by a heard mentality who don't want to hear a difference even when it is clearly there. This group are seen as the majority (of comments of the Youtube post, in this case), and thus influence/bully/dominate the entire discussion in a "non-truthful" manner.

It frustrates me: very few people were highlighting elements of the sound (which were either the same, different or something else).

Our discussion here is much more interesting with varied opinion because people are engaging their brain. :unsure:
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There is one other factor: The device you are listening on.

Listening on my laptop speakers, which lack any dynamic range and have a very narrow frequency response, there was not a lot of difference. So much so, that I had to listen very carefully to hear any difference on all but the bridge pickup setting.

I would suspect that if I was listening on my phone, I would hear no difference.

chilipeppermaniac said:
I listened 2 x without watching. 1 time watching. My conclusion was the same in all 3.

Fender sounded more muted,
Squier Brighter in all 3 positions.

Heard differences obviously,

Conclusion, Liked both equally. Could see a 2 or 3 guitar band using both simultaneously and getting a nice blend of both to achieve a nice song.
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Listening on better speakers I came to the same conclusion. The Squier sounded brighter to my ears.
 
Ebidis said:
There is one other factor: The device you are listening on.

Listening on my laptop speakers, which lack any dynamic range and have a very narrow frequency response, there was not a lot of difference. So much so, that I had to listen very carefully to hear any difference on all but the bridge pickup setting.

I would suspect that if I was listening on my phone, I would hear no difference.


Listening on better speakers I came to the same conclusion. The Squier sounded brighter to my ears.
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This.

And I didn't find the sound of either different enough from any other Telecaster to spend that kind of money replacing the pickups...
 
^ I'm not disagreeing, but that's a value judgement; very valid and interesting as it is.

See, now we have an issue, as pointed out by Ebidis, quality of speakers/headphones. I've my Yamaha THR10 as my basic computer speakers, and the sound is decent. Or, I plug in my Shure 846 headphones when I wanna up the quality. That might be a large part of the reason why the sounds are so different for me...

There are differences in sound; quite significant and clear differences (quantifiable differences), but they may not be picked up according to: speaker device, needs/context, level of listening attention, bias (psychlogical) etc.
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
Conclusion, Liked both equally. Could see a 2 or 3 guitar band using both simultaneously and getting a nice blend of both to achieve a nice song.
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An interesting point; when adding the context of a band, we have a whole new equation. In the two videos, there are 5 different sounds (all quite different, but all clearly tele), and they all sound good. You gotta say the Affinity with standard pickups is great value for money - I wish the Squires were that good when I had a couple 30 years ago.
 
Mr Grumpy said:
An interesting point; when adding the context of a band, we have a whole new equation. In the two videos, there are 5 different sounds (all quite different, but all clearly tele), and they all sound good. You gotta say the Affinity with standard pickups is great value for money - I wish the Squires were that good when I had a couple 30 years ago.
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Arguably, the best Squiers were made almost 40 years ago, :)
 
Speaking of comparisons. I started watching this because it came up on autoplay. I continued watching because I found it unusually well executed and honest, for a comparison video. Towards the end there is a comparison between the Quad Cortex, Kemper and the tube amp that they both profiled.

 
Astral Traveler said:
Speaking of comparisons. I started watching this because it came up on autoplay. I continued watching because I found it unusually well executed and honest, for a comparison video. Towards the end there is a comparison between the Quad Cortex, Kemper and the tube amp that they both profiled.

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1) Were they playing teles?

2) I am even more confused now...
 
Astral Traveler said:
There is an interview with Ron Thorn (Fender master builder) somewhere on the t00b, interviewed by Thomann I think. Towards the end of the video they ask him what his own favourite guitar is. He sais: 1985 Squier Stratocaster, I've had it since -87.
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My mate Dave has an 83 JV that he's had since new, it's a great guitar. It says Fender on the headstock, not Squier.
Mr Grumpy said:
Are we talking the MIK stuff? I'm now 50, but in my late teens I had a couple of MIC Squier strats which were by far the worst guitars I've ever owned; at the time, I knew no different.
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Hell no. Japanese Vintage, made by Fujigen from 1982-4. They had Fender on the headstock when they were first released. They were better than anything Fender themselves were making and a hell of a lot cheaper. Pretty soon after that, Fender started using the Squier logo and downgrading everything, until they moved core Squier production away to Korea, India, China and Indonesia.
 
Beagle said:
They've given me nothing to complain about in the last 38 years. I've had them both from new. I've never found a Fender that will match them.
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I am thinking that if I buy a strat or LP (and, I do want to...) that I'll buy a Fujigen.

I had a MIJ Fender telecaster, and the Fujigen tele is very much better; cost a lot less too.
 
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