Alas! And My Tone Escapes Me:

Dudes...

I have to say, that after all that work and money spent, the Squirecaster destroys my Gibson for tone....
 
Robert Herndon said:
Of course!

I won't be home until after midnight, and I will send you a pic, but here's my basic settings:

2015 Marshall DSL40C - no Internal modifications

7025-WA TAD preamp tubes
Electro-Harmonix EL-34's

Stock 70/80 speaker in this amp - I have a 90 watt Celestion Creamback in my other one.

Red Channel (Ultra)

Lead 1 setting (I think - will confirm)

Bass - Full

Mid - Full

Treble - 10 O'clock

Gain 1/2

Volume - 11 O'clock (loud)

Tone Shift - Out (I think - will confirm)

Presence - 9 O'clock

Resonance - 3 O'clock

Reverb - Full

I pretty much just leave everything here even on the Gibson.

I will send you pics of the settings tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure these are correct...
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Thanks man, appreciate it. No hurries either, just trying to learn.

I am surprised to hear you still have the 70/80. I do too, and I like it. I figured you would have a creamback. I have recently added a 70/80 single 12 extension , and it really adds a punch when I use it.

Your settings are much different than mine. I love the tone im getting with my strat, and with my ibanez. But I'm struggling with my Gibson's. My SG sounds decent, but my LP, well im not so sure. So, id like to try some differing amp settings.

To be honest, I'm thinking im not a classic 57 guy. I thought it was the height, but I haven't been able to dial it in. I like gain, and I don't think they handle it as well as I had believed. I took a chance, but I think I'm ready to swap them out already.

I'm thinking of trying a dimarzio Mo joe/paf joe combo. I love this combo, just don't know anyone who's used them in a Gibson....but, they're not to expensive, so be it.
 
Bocc69 said:
Thanks man, appreciate it. No hurries either, just trying to learn.

I am surprised to hear you still have the 70/80. I do too, and I like it. I figured you would have a creamback. I have recently added a 70/80 single 12 extension , and it really adds a punch when I use it.

Your settings are much different than mine. I love the tone im getting with my strat, and with my ibanez. But I'm struggling with my Gibson's. My SG sounds decent, but my LP, well im not so sure. So, id like to try some differing amp settings.

To be honest, I'm thinking im not a classic 57 guy. I thought it was the height, but I haven't been able to dial it in. I like gain, and I don't think they handle it as well as I had believed. I took a chance, but I think I'm ready to swap them out already.

I'm thinking of trying a dimarzio Mo joe/paf joe combo. I love this combo, just don't know anyone who's used them in a Gibson....but, they're not to expensive, so be it.
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You are very welcome!

I have 2 DSL40C's - one has the 70/80. That's the one I made the video with - the other one has a 90 watt Celestions Creamback. I like the tone of the Creamback better, and I will eventually swap in another one, but the 70/80 isn't bad with the correct EQ....
 
Bocc69 said:
To be honest, I'm thinking im not a classic 57 guy. I thought it was the height, but I haven't been able to dial it in. I like gain, and I don't think they handle it as well as I had believed. I took a chance, but I think I'm ready to swap them out already....
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57 Classic's are not too bad, but they need to be at 4/64" from the strings (when fretted at the 21st fret) for optimum output. My GFS Classic II's measure 7.93k bridge and 7.88 neck @ 56°F. I think most pickups are measured at about 70°F.

Gibson advertises the 57 Classic as 8.3k, so you are very close to my Gibson in terms of bridge pickup output.

One important thing is bridge pickup angle. Until I bent my mounting ears and aligned my pickup with the strings, the bridge had a really thin tone. Once I straightened it out, the tone fattened up a LOT.

Notice that i am using the Faber locking tailpiece with spacers, but you can get the same string angle by top-wrapping the tailpiece. Bonamassa's tech adds the brass ball from the end of an old set of strings to shorten the string slightly where it wraps over. I was told it prevents string breakage. I am not sure, because I have no trouble with the system I am currently using, so I'm done experimenting.

I think the Faber tailpiece improves sustain, because it locks the tailpiece to the body, but again, I have no scientific data to support his claim.

You need to PM me for some additional details... :)

2016 Gibson SG Corrected Pickup Angle.jpg
 
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Robert Herndon said:
57 Classic's are not too bad, but they need to be at 4/64" from the strings (when fretted at the 21st fret) for optimum output. My GFS Classic II's measure 7.93k bridge and 7.88 neck @ 56°F. I think most pickups are measured at about 70°F.

Gibson advertises the 57 Classic as 8.3k, so you are very close to my Gibson in terms of bridge pickup output.

One important thing is bridge pickup angle. Until I bent my mounting ears and aligned my pickup with the strings, the bridge had a really thin tone. Once I straightened it out, the tone fattened up a LOT.

Notice that i am using the Faber locking tailpiece with spacers, but you can get the same string angle by top-wrapping the tailpiece. Bonamassa's tech adds the brass ball from the end of an old set of strings to shorten the string slightly where it wraps over. I was told it prevents string breakage. I am not sure, because I have no trouble with the system I am currently using, so I'm done experimenting.

I think the Faber tailpiece improves sustain, because it locks the tailpiece to the body, but again, I have no scientific data to support his claim.

You need to PM me for some additional details... :)

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Treasure trove of info, i tells ya!
Sunday is my day to tinker, should be fun.
Appreciate all the advice.
 
Bocc69 said:
Robert, sounding really good. Would love to see a photo of your DSL settings, if you feel like sharing????
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Here are the photos of the settings used in the video...The close-ups show switch positions - Lead 1-2 switch OUT - Tone Shift Switch OUT

DSL40C 2.jpg DSL40C 1.jpg DSL40C 3.jpg
 
I guess I am still avoiding modeling software....I don't understand all the patches and buttons...but I understand a 20 foot cable and a Marshall....

Vivian Campbell - "When I joined Dio in 1982, I had a very direct setup of a Les Paul into a Marshall."
 
I was recently paid what I consider to be one of the best compliments I ever received. After tracking a lead for a local band's demo CD, the band members remarked on the tone. "Wow, it sounds like you aren't using any effects at all!. It's just so raw sounding. We love it!"

It reminds me of something Rory Gallagher said once: ’I’m not an effects wizard like Dave Gilmour -a player who uses effects superbly. For me, the perfect compliment is “It doesn’t sound as if you’re using anything. It sounds as if you’re plugging straight into the amp”, That’s when I know I’m using the effects correctly.’ - From an interview with Sounds Magazine - July 29,1989.
 
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