2021 Gibson Les Paul Standard 50's Gold Top:

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Tonight, after checking out a custom shop gold top at the home of a colleague, I opted to drop by my local Guitar Sinner to pick up some strings.

It was kinda busy, so I thought I would kill some time and play through a few amps. I grabbed a 2018 Gibson Faded Bourbon Les Paul and started playing through a Boogie Combo of some kind with a bunch of little micro switches on it.

I really couldn't get a "decent" tone out of it, other than clean, so I plugged into a Marshall MG30DFX and Wow, Wow, Wubzy, did that little amp sing!!!

So, I'm jamming out Eagles, Black Label Society, Lynch Mob, Scorpions, and a few dudes come up and ask if I give lessons, so I handed out some cards and answered some questions.

Then, one of the guys that I know who works there told me, "Hey, Man, we got a Les Paul with a neck so fat that nobody wants it..."

I answered, "Don't threaten me with a good time!!!"

We laugh, fist bump and start catching up on music stories.

He then tells me that they special ordered a 2021 Les Paul Standard 50's Gold Top for a fellow employee. The story was that when he picked it up out of the case he was disappointed with the heft of the guitar and neck thickness.

They had the guitar in the back as it was slated to be returned.

We went in the backroom and he pulled this brown 'Gibson' logo case off a shelf. It was unusual looking, in that it had huge, squared-off brass hasps with almost a matte or sandblasted finish.

Inside, the guitar was in a sheer, white cloth "cocoon" that you could see through.

I pulled the guitar out and I mean there wasn't so much as a smudge or fingerprint on it front or back.

I've painted guitars. I've painted automobiles...but the finish on this was simply amazing...flawless...and such a high level of polish.

When I put my hand around the neck, it was one of the biggest necks I've ever felt on a Gibson.

Out came the calipers!!!!

The neck measured 1.695" / 43.05mm wide at the nut, which is only. 060" narrower than my mammoth 1.750" Stratocaster neck!!!!

At the heel, the neck measures 2.26" / 57.4mm wide and its a solid .951" all the way from the nut to the heel.

Headstock is traditional 17° tilt.

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After checking out the guitar on the Gibson website, I started looking really closely at the details.


Neck angle is good as the bridge and tailpiece are nearly decked. No humps in the fretboard, or the all-too-common "swollen binding" at the fret ends that you feel if you run your fingers down the binding.

So far, so good....

I confirmed that it indeed had an aluminum ABR-1 and a aluminum tailpiece. This is SOP on ALL my personal Les Paul's. (Neither is magnetic and spec sheet calls the tailpiece aluminum.)

Next, I noticed the vintage tuners with keystones, which are again my personal preference.

Gold top hat knobs with pointers???Another one of my SOP's.

Weight...a whopping 10lbs 6 ounces!!! Not my favorite feature, but I'm open minded.

Let's move on....

Then I notice the frets...super thin, like vintage Fenders!!! I've never seen tiny frets like this - except on Randy Rhoads Les Paul Custom - which he had installed by Karl Sandoval. I saw this feature on Randy's LPC personally when I saw the guitar during a visit with his mother in March of 2002.

The fret finish and nibs are impeccable and the spec sheet states that this guitar was indeed plek'd. Far better fretwork than any of my (5) lower end Gibson's had.

The guitar is hand wired as opposed to having a PCB. It uses .022uf Orange Drops and Gravitt push-back wiring. It has 300K linear-taper volume pots and 500K audio-taper tone pots. (A variation from the website specs)

The neck pickup is a Burstbucker 1 Alnico II with 6.5k advertised ohms. The bridge is a Burstbucker 3 measuring 8.4k ohms. (Website claims Burstbucker 2 in the bridge, but 8.4k is a Burstbucker 3)

So, I was invited to put the guitar through its paces and I plugged it into the Marshall MG30DFX. It was a night and day difference when compared to the entry level Gibson in every respect.

The sound is very articulate, not overly gainy...but with a very cutting upper midrange with a pronounced, yet not brash top end. Surprisingly, the pickups were very pleasing to me.

Now, NO Burstbuckers are wax potted, so I'm really nervous about how this guitar might behave 6 feet in front of an Ivanberg Modded Marshall Origin 50 with the master on 7.

I'm not a bedroom player. I play for a living and I need to be able to control a guitar at elevated volume levels, but there is no way to simulate that in Guitar Sinner.

So, all and all, the guitar has a lot going for it and I couldn't find anything wrong with, no matter how hard I looked.

Note the odd looming latches on the case.

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Hmmmmm...

If the unpotted Burstbuckers could behave under high volume levels, this guitar could check all the boxes.

My wife told me that if I moved a couple of guitars that I really don't play anymore, I could purchase one new guitar for my teaching job at the music academy, which is a write off.

My 1982 Stratocaster is my #1 guitar, but I need a fixed bridge for the downtuned songs.

Perhaps because my childhood idols (Rhoads, Felder, Page,) and later influences (Wylde, Ace, Slash) played Gibson Les Paul's, I think it fueled my desire to have a really good, genuine Gibson and not feel as though I need to rebuild it.

My thoughts are that I would (potentially) give my Slash Replica to my uncle in San Antonio (he loves it) and sell the Schecter Hellraiser C1FR that im.not using.

Could I trust those unpotted Burstbuckers under high gain and close proximity to my amp???

Hmmmm.....
 
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A few more photos...

(The two Boogie amps I played through are in these images)

Important: Note the decked bridge and tailpiece with strings well clear of the vintage ABR-1 bridge:

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Nice, highly polished lacquer finish.

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Tiny Fender Frets!!!!!

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The normal Gibson tuner crookedness - like a product of hand-fitting

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Rob, If you buy this, and it somehow does not suit, and you just can't deal with the 10+ lbs, hit me up before you sell it off or give it away etc. PLEASE.

I know its not your ideal pups, likely too soft frets, nut that might wear fast and a few other long term needs, nut from all accounts. But, minus the still new school nibs, and finish, it sure seems a twin for my 1979 Norlin Black version.
 
Ok,

Nut material:

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According to the Gibson website, the nuts are supplied by Graph Tech. I wore my Tusq XL nut out from tremolo use, so I'm not worried about a hardtail.

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Frets:

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I took time to precisely measure them.

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3/32" or 0.09375" wide. The material appears to be very hard compared to other nickel-silver frets.

I found a few posts at MyLesPaul and LesPaulForum by forum member @Jescar that confirms Jescar began supplying Gibson with fretwire several years ago.

These frets appear to be Jescar FW47095, which is consistent with what I found posted.

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10 pounds is a "deal breaker" but it certainly is heavy!!@!!

My Mom currently has her 1979 Silverburst up for sale and it weighs a whopping 11 pounds!!!@!!!
 
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According to Jescar website- The most common alloy for good traditional fretwire is about 18% nickel, 80% copper, and the rest traces of various other dreadful things such as zinc, lead and cadmium. Jescar's Nickel-Silver formula is 62% copper, 18% nickel, and 20% zinc.
 
that is nice!
You said the bridge is decked - are you sure the action is low enough / you would never want it lower?

It's not totally "decked," but it's low enough to suggest the neck angle is correct. Most of my 2016 and 2017 Gibson Les Paul's had the bridges raised very high to compensate for incorrect neck angle.

I've included a photo to show remaining adjustment:

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Here's something that I like.

Contrary to what you might have been told, or what many choose to believe, both Fender and Gibson have published assembly specifications for their instruments.

This allows a builder or assembler to have a "target" when it comes to performing setup. I've personally seen the Fender "Assembly Blueprint Specifications" document when our band performed at Fender (for an event) back in June.

In conversations with staff at Gibson, (in 2016, when I asked for and received copies of EDS-1275 specs to build my double neck) they also confirmed a chart containing "desired specifications" is provided to their builders.

Nut slot width, depth, pickup heights and action height are all spelled out on a white paper.

I set ALL my guitars to .070" at the 12th fret, which is Gibson's published specification...and this guitar is right on the money.

Some flows will huff and puff about personal preference, which is totally fine, but for me, when I see adherence to published specs, it's like the Brown M&M thing with Van Halen...

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Looks good.
You also prefer hi wound pickups - will this have a place in your sonic space?
I also would be concerned about the unpotted feedback, given what you have shared.

If you use this for your teaching, as opposed to stage it seems fit a niche / need as well as your desire to own a Gibson without all the previous let downs of the others.

It sure is a beauty; I like all the specs except the weight.
I just cant play effectively (relative to my skill level) seated, especially with an LP.
 
Looks good.
You also prefer hi wound pickups - will this have a place in your sonic space?
I also would be concerned about the unpotted feedback, given what you have shared.

If you use this for your teaching, as opposed to stage it seems fit a niche / need as well as your desire to own a Gibson without all the previous let downs of the others.

It sure is a beauty; I like all the specs except the weight.
I just cant play effectively (relative to my skill level) seated, especially with an LP.

I had a few casual guitar lessons (as a kid) from one of Mom's band members, who had a classical background, so I have always rested a guitar on my left leg.

I won't know how the Burstbuckers will behave until I put them into use. I'm encouraged by the tones I got through that little Marshall MG30DFX.

On the other hand, it's fairly well documented at MLP and LPF that T-Tops were never potted, so maybe these will be surprising???
 
Quick tone sample - Just a rough idea of the tones available.

First Repeating Phrase - Running through neck (BB1) middle (BB1 & BB3) and bridge (BB3) totally clean on Blackstar ID-Core 100 Watt through DAW (direct out) on 'Clean Warm' setting

Second Phrase - Overdriven through "OD-1" channel - Gain at 12 noon (Lynch Mob's Wicked Sensation)

Third Phrase - Same Amp Settings as Second Phrase - Played on Neck Pickup Only (Slash's Solo to 'Knockin On Heaven's Door)

Reverb set conservatively on amp.


And here's the Replica Les Paul with Planet Tone Afterburner (Bridge) and Special 59 (Neck) for comparison with identical amp settings (Replica is always tuned a full step down)

 
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Here's the 2021 Les Paul 50's Standard recorded through my Blacstar ID-Core 100 Direct Out:




And for comparison, here's my Les Paul Replica with Planet Tone Afterburner with identical Blackstar settings to the "Sweet Home Test" published above....


@syscokid , @RVA , @chilipeppermaniac , @Don O
 
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Nice one! I picked up the exact same model in the beginning of January, and it is spectacular. Mine also has one of the biggest necks I have ever run across, which is a big part of the reason I took it home.

Definitely prefer the sound of the '50's in those clips - it sounds brighter and a bit more articulate in the clip than your darker-sounding replica. Probably down to output of the pickups
 
Looks like the new LP has found a home in ALABAMA West coast Style @ RobertHerndon house.

From my side by side comparisons, I hear a fuller palette of sonic fullness in the range of notes between the 2 recordings of the '21 LP vs the Replica in Sweet home.
The Replica seems to record as all one level and lesser note ringingness vs a rounder and bolder completeness of all the notes as I hear it within Rob's chords when played on the '21 LP. Anyone else hear this?
 
Nice one! I picked up the exact same model in the beginning of January, and it is spectacular. Mine also has one of the biggest necks I have ever run across, which is a big part of the reason I took it home.

Definitely prefer the sound of the '50's in those clips - it sounds brighter and a bit more articulate in the clip than your darker-sounding replica. Probably down to output of the pickups

I need to EQ a bit differently I think???

To my ear, the BB is a little "mushier" under gain (in the first clip at 50 seconds in)
 
Looks like the new LP has found a home in ALABAMA West coast Style @ RobertHerndon house.

From my side by side comparisons, I hear a fuller palette of sonic fullness in the range of notes between the 2 recordings of the '21 LP vs the Replica in Sweet home.
The Replica seems to record as all one level and lesser note ringingness vs a rounder and bolder completeness of all the notes as I hear it within Rob's chords when played on the '21 LP. Anyone else hear this?

Gball voiced the same thing I was hearing, as my slow fingers were typing the above.

It's a nice sounding guitar. Still has factory strings (.010" x .046") and I have not staggered the pole pieces yet, like I do on all my other guitars. Not sure what effect that will have...
 
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