A Lil Zep History

RVA said:
So you are at rock bottom? Like saying "I could not care less"?

I go back and forth about Zep. My commentary was only on Pag's "greatness". Where are the courses that say "learn the Page method" or "How to play like Jimmy Page"? Maybe we can give him credit for being a unique kind of mess.
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Now English language really gave me a triangle choke. Sorry. I meant that I love it and keep loving it through time.
 
Sérgio said:
Now English language really gave me a triangle choke. Sorry. I meant that I love it and keep loving it through time.
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It could have been taken either way. I knew what you meant, but I could not resist.

Again, I dig Zep's music, even the stuff that was really other people's music and performed by them. I even respect Page's contribution to rock history and the uniqueness of the band. I just do not think he should be exhausted as an example of a great guitarist.
 
RVA said:
Again, I dig Zep's music, even the stuff that was really other people's music and performed by them. I even respect Page's contribution to rock history and the uniqueness of the band. I just do not think he should be exhausted as an example of a great guitarist.
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I am with you, Zepps music as a whole is good. Page as a singular musician I would not put on a very high pedestal. He has some good moments, but I hear a lot of not so good also. Just my opinion.
 
OK. I refused to take the bait and Ray took up my
crusade like the true champion of the people he is.
Thank you Ray but now you are coming under fire
it would be wrong for me to hide while you take
all the heat. Time to join the fray.

RVA said:
Where are the courses that say "learn the Page method" or "How to play like Jimmy Page"?
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I can remedy this surprising lack of instructional material.
I can write one right now. I won't even copyright it.

>>>THE JIMMY PAGE LIVE GUITAR METHOD<<<

1- Get a good Gibson Les Paul guitar.
2- Modify it to sound thin and have no sustain.
3- Get 2 Marshall amplifier stacks.
4- Plug the Les Paul into the Marshalls.
5- Turn the Marshalls on.
6- Set the controls on the Marshalls to make the guitar sound even worse.
7- Partially detune the guitar.
8- Put on boxing gloves.
9- "Play" the guitar while projecting a strong "I'm a God. All I have to do is show up." attitude.
 
If I were to hate all sloppy guitar players, I would have considerably less heros than I do. And I would definitely hate myself.:D Thankfully I don't. Zeppelin were great. If you don't dig them, thats fine too. Personally I think they're one of the finest rock bands ever. But like everyone else, they had their ups and downs. "The Song remains the Same" was one of the downs, they even say so themselves, but man, they had a lot more ups. I'm reading the Jimmy Page biography "No Quarter: The Three Lives of Jimmy Page" by Martin Power at the moment. A great read.
 
Its a shame you will never embrace the Zeppelin --Tony--- there really is a lot of good stuff in those recordings---
Some people like this..........

perhaps you are one of them?

Going back to my Led Zeppelin Channel on Pandora now........interesting how the guitar tone varies an awful lot from song to song ....album to album.......acoustics and electrics and hollow bodies and solid bodies and distorted and clean..wide range --- must be using different textures of boxing gloves.....or maybe its the BLACK MAGIC ol Pagie practices, perhaps you are just a white wizard and the spell does not work on you ........

No mind, Im betting Plant, Page and Jones dont lose much sleep over it either way . :)
 
Big Zeppelin fan in the day. To me when Jimmy is hitting the mark he's one of the best, if not best, boogie/blues players (at least of his time period). Me, I play/write/sing how I feel like it and try to be true to myself musically because Jimmy once said stay true to yourself musically. That went hand in hand with my core belief for many moons now of choose the style of music you wanna do and play it for the people who want to listen...
 
I like the first 2 albums.
I don't really have a problem with the other material either
(except for the live stuff and Stairway to Heaven).
I'm talking about the live performances.
Jimmy Page has absolutely sucked live
every time I have ever seen him.
I would not play in a band with him.
I am a sloppy guitar player but at least I care how I sound and what I play like.
He actually got a good Les Paul and 2 Marshalls to sound bad.
He also had.....


Never mind.
 
Gahr said:
If I were to hate all sloppy guitar players
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No need to hate, but why exhault the sloppy examples as the standard of greatness? Enjoy the sloppiness if that is your wish. Conversely, there are some technically brilliant players, but that does not make their songs automatically good.
 
Tony M. said:
I'm talking about the live performances.
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I have stopped going to live "BIG NAME" performances for just that reason....
JUST like the sandwich at the fast food joint NEVER LOOKS LIKE THE PICTURE........bands live almost NEVER SOUND LIKE THE RECORDING......they cant unless they are up there faking it to piped in muzak......too MUCH goes on in the studio to do it onstage ...especially with 3 or 4 guys.....maybe with a 10 person band.....and orchestra.....and ...and ..... no still not as good.
 
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eSGEe said:
Its a shame you will never embrace the Zeppelin --Tony--- there really is a lot of good stuff in those recordings---
Some people like this..........
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I just watched that video.

I watched the whole video.

From beginning to end...I watched the whole video.

Three minutes and five seconds of my life are gone...because I watched the whole video.

But, I got some laughs!
 
Gahr said:
If I were to hate all sloppy guitar players, I would have considerably less heros than I do. And I would definitely hate myself.:D Thankfully I don't. Zeppelin were great. If you don't dig them, thats fine too. Personally I think they're one of the finest rock bands ever. But like everyone else, they had their ups and downs. "The Song remains the Same" was one of the downs, they even say so themselves, but man, they had a lot more ups. I'm reading the Jimmy Page biography "No Quarter: The Three Lives of Jimmy Page" by Martin Power at the moment. A great read.
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Sums up my feelings pretty much exactly, with one exception: I actually like TSRTS. It's uneven and very imperfect, and that's what I like about it, hearing a tired touring-riddled band slug through a set but still have moments of greatness during it (that version of No Quarter is definitive in my mind). It's the same thing with Aerosmith's Live Bootleg - just a glorious freakin' mess.
 
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