LED ZEPPELIN SICKS!

Sérgio said:
Nothing. Haters gonna hate.

Millions of people gonna love (myself included).

Zep is Zep. They rocked the world. Period...

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No disagreement here. They just rocked songs other people had written without sharing the cabbage.
 
RVA said:
No disagreement here. They just rocked songs other people had written without sharing the cabbage.
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They used (a few) tunes that already existed, just like pretty much everyone in England in the late 60s... Clapton did JJ Cale, the Stones covered a load of songs... The fact that Zep had issues for not dealing with copyright up front doesn't make them one inch less good in my own view...
 
smitty_p said:
But, I do have to ask...what about their performances was so lacking?
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read the band histories

In a nutshell:

When the band was on they were great

but as money got better, the drummer got drunker, the guitar player and singer got coked out, and it got so bad that the bass/keyboard player even rode to gigs and roomed separately.

re: Page

in the studio he was a master of layering guitar parts. He didn't even try to reproduce all the other parts live.
 
IS that not the way with many bands.....quality stuff up front ---they peak--- then the drugs--money whores and corporate america rip the thing apart ---wel that or Yoko--- but its a repeated story --
 
David KOS said:
re: Page

in the studio he was a master of layering guitar parts. He didn't even try to reproduce all the other parts live.
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That seems to be a risk with doing a lot of studio wizardry. Unless the band uses a backing track, it's almost impossible to reproduce all the layering and other studio manipulations in a live environment.
 
smitty_p said:
That seems to be a risk with doing a lot of studio wizardry. Unless the band uses a backing track, it's almost impossible to reproduce all the layering and other studio manipulations in a live environment.
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Exactly.

Live rock n roll is a whole other world compared to studio rock, expecially when the band has a single guitarist.
 
smitty_p said:
That seems to be a risk with doing a lot of studio wizardry. Unless the band uses a backing track, it's almost impossible to reproduce all the layering and other studio manipulations in a live environment.
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The Who would discreetly have a couple extra players to cover the studio keyboard and other parts. I think Page could have done a bit more to at approximate the parts they played in the studio. Besides an electric 12 string for "Stairway" and the Dano slide, he tried to let a Les Paul and Marshall stack compensate for other parts.

Look at the work Steve Howe did live at the same time in the 70's to re-create his studio parts. Or how Brian May used that delay rig to play harmony parts.

Page indeed was a studio wiz, but he didn't bring it all to the stage.
 
David KOS said:
From the live recordings I've heard, overall, I agree.
But the ONE time I saw them live they played really well, Page played decently all night and the bass player tore it up, playing keyboards maybe 1/3 of the gig.
I lucked out.
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Excuse me but if you are playing in arenas, playing "decently" kinda doesn't cut it for me.

smitty_p said:
Ok...forgive the naive question here, please.
I never listened to much Zeppelin and I never saw them. I've never tried to learn any of their songs.
That gives you a sense of my emotional attachment to them...very little.
But, I do have to ask...what about their performances was so lacking?
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Not gonna type it all again.
Cut and paste from ETSG forum:

Out of professional courtesy I usually do not walk
out on bands no matter how terrible they are.

I have only done it twice in my life.

The first time was a led Zepplin concert in Central Park.
The second time was a Led Zepplin concert (in Carnagie Hall IIRC?).

I went to the first one because the albums were really good.
They were so bad that I left, an unprecedented action on my part.
I went to the second one hoping the first one was a fluke.
The second one was even worse.

The drummer and bass player were wonderful. No complaints there.
Plant could not hit ANY of the notes. It was not that he was a little
flat or sharp. He was missing the high stuff by at least a tone and a half.
And the "guitar player".....

1- His tone was awful. Screechy, thin, no body whatsoever and zero
sustain. You would think with the financial backing they had and the
equipment he would have had a decent sound. Nope. He actually got
a good Les Paul and 2 Marshall stacks to sound bad.
2- All the overdubs were not there. The other 3 or 4 guitars on the
records were missing. No "live" arrangement of the song. They just
left them out. Essential parts of the music were missing.
3- He was constantly hitting bad chords and clunkers and would not
even try to cover for himself. If he hit an E chord instead of an F he
would just let it ring instead of sliding into the correct chord.
4- The most unforgivable of all, his guitar was badly out of tune and
it did not matter to him at all. The attitude he projected was
"I'm a God. All I have to do is show up."

The man is an insult to his audience and his instrument when he is in
a live situation and I would flat out refuse to play in a band with him
if the "opportunity" presented itself.

This is not a rant.
It is an accurate account of my Led Zeppelin experiences.
 
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Tony M. said:
Excuse me but if you are playing in arenas, playing "decently" kinda doesn't cut it for me.



Not gonna type it all again.
Cut and paste from ETSG forum:

Out of professional courtesy I usually do not walk
out on bands no matter how terrible they are.

I have only done it twice in my life.

The first time was a led Zepplin concert in Central Park.
The second time was a Led Zepplin concert (in Carnagie Hall IIRC?).

I went to the first one because the albums were really good.
They were so bad that I left, an unprecedented action on my part.
I went to the second one hoping the first one was a fluke.
The second one was even worse.

The drummer and bass player were wonderful. No complaints there.
Plant could not hit ANY of the notes. It was not that he was a little
flat or sharp. He was missing the high stuff by at least a tone and a half.
And the "guitar player".....

1- His tone was awful. Screechy, thin, no body whatsoever and zero
sustain. You would think with the financial backing they had and the
equipment he would have had a decent sound. Nope. He actually got
a good Les Paul and 2 Marshall stacks to sound bad.
2- All the overdubs were not there. The other 3 or 4 guitars on the
records were missing. No "live" arrangement of the song. They just
left them out. Essential parts of the music were missing.
3- He was constantly hitting bad chords and clunkers and would not
even try to cover for himself. If he hit an E chord instead of an F he
would just let it ring instead of sliding into the correct chord.
4- The most unforgivable of all, his guitar was badly out of tune and
it did not matter to him at all. The attitude he projected was
"I'm a God. All I have to do is show up."

The man is an insult to his audience and his instrument when he is in
a live situation and I would flat out refuse to play in a band with him
if the "opportunity" presented itself.

This is not a rant.
It is an accurate account of my Led Zeppelin experiences.
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Do you still post your Haiku on ETSG o'er thine there Tony Manhattan?;)


;>)/
 
Sérgio said:
Nothing. Haters gonna hate.
Millions of people gonna love (myself included).
Zep is Zep. They rocked the world. Period...:D
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I am not in any way denying the impact they had or that they were one
of the biggest rock acts of all time. In fact, I thought and still think that
the first 2 albums are must haves and must listen tos. All I'm saying is
that in my experience they were extremely disappointing to see in a
live situation, especially because those 2 albums were so good.

They were bad enough to walk out on.
Twice.
Think about that.
 
Anyway I wish
Tony M. said:
I am not in any way denying the impact they had or that they were one
of the biggest rock acts of all time. In fact, I thought and still think that
the first 2 albums are must haves and must listen tos. All I'm saying is
that in my experience they were extremely disappointing to see in a
live situation, especially because those 2 albums were so good.

They were bad enough to walk out on.
Twice.
Think about that.
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Yeah, that's highly subjective... To each his own I guess. What I can say is, I know they never really go down the "perfect performance" road, but I liked each and every show, bootleg and record I've come across...
 
David KOS said:
The Who would discreetly have a couple extra players to cover the studio keyboard and other parts. I think Page could have done a bit more to at approximate the parts they played in the studio. Besides an electric 12 string for "Stairway" and the Dano slide, he tried to let a Les Paul and Marshall stack compensate for other parts.

Look at the work Steve Howe did live at the same time in the 70's to re-create his studio parts. Or how Brian May used that delay rig to play harmony parts.

Page indeed was a studio wiz, but he didn't bring it all to the stage.
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The Doors used session players on their recordings too. On the first album Larry Knechtel put down the bass. On LA Woman, Jerry Scheff played bass and Marc Benno played rhythm guitar.
 
Alex_SG said:
The Doors used session players on their recordings too. On the first album Larry Knechtel put down the bass. On LA Woman, Jerry Scheff played bass and Marc Benno played rhythm guitar.
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Good point, but that's in reverse.

Live the Doors used Ray's left hand on a Fender Piano Bass sitting on his Vox, later Gibson organ.

Some say they should have had a live bassist, some say the band needed the freedom.
 
Tony M. said:
Excuse me but if you are playing in arenas, playing "decently" kinda doesn't cut it for me.

It is an accurate account of my Led Zeppelin experiences.
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Tony, I say "decently" because I was a teenager when I say then and already a musician, I recall no errors and really thought the whole show was wonderful. It also was the beginning of a tour and the band was fresh, shall we say.

But I can't say anything better because I did miss all the other guitar parts. However, JPJ tore it up on organ, Mellotron and Fender Rhodes, and held the whole thing together.

It was a fine arena show.

14 May 1973

Hey, I just found this.....I should check my 16 year old memory:


It's a bootleg of that night. I'll listen and get back to you for an HONEST accounting.

for now, other's review of the night:

http://www.ledzeppelin.com/show/may-14-1973
 
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