Water anyone?

Seamus OReally said:
From Wikipedia:

William Reville, professor of biochemistry at University College Cork writing in the Irish Times, described The Hidden Messages in Water as a work of pseudoscience, and characterized the book as "an amalgam of science and mumbo-jumbo" with "no credible hypothesis as to causation, no development of the idea, no fruitfulness in the concept, and, above all, no clear scientific demonstration.” He concluded by stating that "It is very unlikely that there is any reality behind Emoto's claims. A triple blind study of these claims failed to show any effect. Also, the phenomenon he describes has never been published in a peer reviewed science journal, which almost certainly means that the effect cannot be demonstrated under controlled conditions." Physicist Kenneth Libbrecht, an expert on snow, also saw the book as displaying confirmation bias, joking that "it's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out!"

The effect cannot be reproduced, so the hypothesis is disproven.
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You do realize that anyone can add info to Wikipedia? It's not like this source of information has been substantiated.
 
I don’t need a reference to know that human thought is of no influence in the physical world. Thought is not physical, and is utterly inconsequential. Water is always H2O. And William Reville is a contributor to The Irish Times and is emeritus professor of biochemistry at University College Cork.
 
Seamus OReally said:
I don’t need a reference to know that human thought is of no influence in the physical world. Thought is not physical, and is utterly inconsequential.
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We are all entitled to our own opinion. I however have had some thoughts that have turned into reality. Either I am psychic, or perhaps they could be just a coincidence. A lot of coincidences in my life. When I have more available time, I might share some of them with you.
 
WavMixer said:
We are all entitled to our own opinion. I however have had some thoughts that have turned into reality. Either I am psychic, or perhaps they could be just a coincidence. A lot of coincidences in my life. When I have more available time, I might share some of them with you.
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When you have transformed matter with your mind, let me know.
 
Seamus OReally said:
I don’t need a reference to know that human thought is of no influence in the physical world. Thought is not physical, and is utterly inconsequential. Water is always H2O.
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Well I know that no matter how focused I am I cannot materialize three women, who love me, care for me, caress me in the most sensual way but I keep trying. And then I wipe up a good percentage of H20 from my belly and go on about my day!
 
Seamus OReally said:
I don’t need a reference to know that human thought is of no influence in the physical world. Thought is not physical, and is utterly inconsequential. Water is always H2O. And William Reville is a contributor to The Irish Times and is emeritus professor of biochemistry at University College Cork.
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I would tend to agree. But there are times. Wake up in the middle of the night thinking about some product. Gear. Whatever. Fire up the old computer later. Ads show up on FB of the very thing I was dreaming about at 3AM. Spooky.
 
Seamus OReally said:
Coincidence is spooky, no argument. But these big brains are so thirsty for patterns that we often see them where they don’t exist.
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100% Agree.

The Universe is so vast we don't even have a complete definition of it's size, all of it's elements, the sub atomic particles, the list of unknowns could literally be infinitely long. The scale alone makes for more variables that are probabilistically going to coincide creating a cloak of its own hiding what is really happening.

Everything we know is only observed on or from the Earth, our orbit, our comet and rock visitors, from our solar system. Yeah we are going to see patterns even when there aren't any. The mind works to fill in what cannot be explained, it has to in order to continue or we'd all be stuck in darwinian dead end. Patterns were learn from survival as we kept leveling up in evolution. Our mind keep it's internal dialogue, do we even know why that is? Could it be as simple as developing cetralized nervous cores over others as we evolved and now we have two or more subconscience layers of data smacking it out before we even speak a word, or cognate a clear thought?

Who knows but I do hate arrogance and people that say they have all the answers.
 
I distrust people that claim to have all of the answers. I am a truth seeker looking for true answers. I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see. With the advent of AI, it's now hard to believe any of what you see.

Speaking of observation, I have found the double-slit experiment to be quite fascinating. All based on observation.

Also speaking of spooky, curious minds may wish to check out Einstein's spooky action at a distance. Another fascinating subject of investigation for those that have all the answers.

Just some food for thought to feed your gray matter.

I do not have all the answers, but I am constantly finding more questions.
 
WavMixer said:
I distrust people that claim to have all of the answers.
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Well said. A theory that explains everything, generally actually explains nothing at all.

WavMixer said:
Speaking of observation, I have found the double-slit experiment to be quite fascinating. All based on observation.
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I'm not an expert, but I've tried, tried and tried again to make logical sense of this and other aspects of quantum physics and quantum mechanics. It's always seemed to me that we're making a 'fundamental' mistake somewhere which leads us to these 'outrageous' results and conclusions. Feynman said that once you understand the double slit experiment, you understand quantum mechanics. I'm not as bold, arrogant and foolish as to claim that I have stumbled on the answer, let alone solved the puzzle myself, but a while ago I did come across an extremely interesting take on one of the key concepts involved; light. Judging by the comments here, I don't have explain that light is extremely puzzling to scientists with its duality in nature. I've also always had my doubts about this - true, that's part old fashioned intuition which is sometimes useless when it comes to hard scientific questions - but it strikes me as bizarre that only light (part of a spectrum) would exhibit this 'magical' behavior. Here's what Chris has to say about it, and I must say that he makes some rather compelling arguments against duality, and suggests that light, in fact, behaves like the rest of the spectrum.


I lack the authority to determine the accuracy of all that he says, but it certainly provides an interesting - and to me more intuitive - angle on the matter. He also highlights a somewhat uncomfortable truth for science right now - we don't actually have a clear definition for what a photon is or a truly accurate method of measuring one or more.

...back to the matter of water, I say we should start a petition to band dihydrogen monoxide... :coffee2:
 
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Coming back to the original video posted, let's take a close look at just the opening statement.

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Let's break that down.

"Half of earth[sic] is water".
Well, not really, but sure, let's roll with that for now. If we're talking about the surface, I think it's more like two thirds.

"Our body is three-quarters water".
Roughly, alright.

"Water represents the 5th dimensional sphere of our soul".
No. Right off the bat, this is conjecture and should not be stated as fact. Nobody has ever managed to determine whether there is such a thing as a soul, let alone quantify it, let alone determine if it has 'dimensional spheres'. What is a 'dimensional sphere' and what are the first four preceding ones?

"Many studies have shown subtle effects of healers upon hydrogen bonding and infrared absorption of water."
What are 'healers' in this context? Anyway, we've all observed infrared absorption of water. That's what happens when you put the kettle on or leave your cold drink in the sun.

The part about beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Beauty is not truth or accuracy. I deem the video click-bait and the study flawed at best, if not intentionally misleading.
 
WavMixer said:
I distrust people that claim to have all of the answers. I am a truth seeker looking for true answers. I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see. With the advent of AI, it's now hard to believe any of what you see.

Speaking of observation, I have found the double-slit experiment to be quite fascinating. All based on observation.

Also speaking of spooky, curious minds may wish to check out Einstein's spooky action at a distance. Another fascinating subject of investigation for those that have all the answers.

Just some food for thought to feed your gray matter.

I do not have all the answers, but I am constantly finding more questions.
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But the original OP video is therefore proof and somehow entirely correct?
It is also a subjective viewpoint put to video on Youtube.
Yeah that's real proof.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
It is also a subjective viewpoint put to video on Youtube.
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Just taking this rationale to its logical extreme, it strikes me that if everything is 'mind over matter', the truth ultimately depends on the observer. Nothing becomes mutually exclusive and there *can* not even be a logical argument about what is correct. All viewpoints would by definition have to be true.
 
Jethro Rocker said:
But the original OP video is therefore proof and somehow entirely correct?
It is also a subjective viewpoint put to video on Youtube.
Yeah that's real proof.
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No that is not proof. However there are indeed many things in our reality that some people do not believe in
One of which is the difference between 440Hz tuning and 432Hz tuning.
 
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