On the radio this morning on the way to work, the news station said that today they will be leaving Earth's gravity and will be using the moon's gravity to circle the moon. Isn't this what the Apollo astronauts did? What is different? They have only one ship so it's not like they have one ship circling the moon while another ships stays in low Earth orbit?Pay attention to context!
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Go to 43:15.
He said this is the first time we are going to send humans to the moon AND we’re going to have humans in low earth orbit.
That is a fact.
When humans went to the moon over fifty years ago, we did not also have humans simultaneously in low earth orbit.
I think Smitty is talking about the space station, ISS, in low earth orbit while these guys circle the moon.On the radio this morning on the way to work, the news station said that today they will be leaving Earth's gravity and will be using the moon's gravity to circle the moon. Isn't this what the Apollo astronauts did? What is different? They have only one ship so it's not like they have one ship circling the moon while another ships stays in low Earth orbit?
Higher orbit around the moon. Hence the furthest distance in space.On the radio this morning on the way to work, the news station said that today they will be leaving Earth's gravity and will be using the moon's gravity to circle the moon. Isn't this what the Apollo astronauts did? What is different? They have only one ship so it's not like they have one ship circling the moon while another ships stays in low Earth orbit?
Saw this in an article this morning about Artemis. Must be a Millennial spokesman:No difference. First. News people just trying to make news. Second. First time it was done was 2 generations of population ago. Today’s kids didn’t live Apollo like we did. So to us old codgers…. It’s old news. To the 20 something group…. It’s all new.
See below. We have never done a free return trajectory at increased orbit before.On the radio this morning on the way to work, the news station said that today they will be leaving Earth's gravity and will be using the moon's gravity to circle the moon. Isn't this what the Apollo astronauts did? What is different? They have only one ship so it's not like they have one ship circling the moon while another ships stays in low Earth orbit?
Yep. Exactly.Higher orbit around the moon. Hence the furthest distance in space.
I was puzzled too until I saw that at the distance they are they can see CERTAIN areas of the back side that were previously unseen again due to the increased orbit distance required for free return trajectory.Saw this in an article this morning about Artemis. Must be a Millennial spokesman:
“The astronauts became the first to see the moon’s far side with human eyes, according to NASA.”
Starting with Apollo 8 in 1968, astronauts have orbited the moon and seen the far side with their own eyes. WTF.
At that altitude you can bet your last dollar that thousands of photos of the dark side will be taken in search of any telltale signs of prior visitations (human or otherwise). Today's cameras are much more advanced!I was puzzled too until I saw that at the distance they are they can see CERTAIN areas of the back side that were previously unseen again due to the increased orbit distance required for free return trajectory.

The difference between Apollo 13 and Artemis II is only 4,000 miles (from earth). But I see Apollo was closer to the surface at 70 miles vs Artemis at 4,070 miles.See below. We have never done a free return trajectory at increased orbit before.
Yep. Exactly.
I was puzzled too until I saw that at the distance they are they can see CERTAIN areas of the back side that were previously unseen again due to the increased orbit distance required for free return trajectory.
They wouldn't have gotten there if it wasn't. Some science is cut and dried. Don't need today's tech to do that.It's truly amazing to watch C-SPAN 2 coverage, as it all plays out in real time, as they approach the dark side of the moon. It's a shame that today's level of technology wasn't in existence in 1969 to provide definitive proof that, indeed, the earth is round, the moon is round, etc etc etc. I'm just hoping that they don't discover pyramids.They'll never telll us if they do.
Right that is the key. If you are close to a large sphere it is hard to see around the curve to south and north. Further way no problem.The difference between Apollo 13 and Artemis II is only 4,000 miles (from earth). But I see Apollo was closer to the surface at 70 miles vs Artemis at 4,070 miles.
Well yeah?. Why make a moon landing module fly an extra 4000 miles to reconnect the arbiter? Other than the fact that the ratio of mass and the amount of onboard lander module are in play?The difference between Apollo 13 and Artemis II is only 4,000 miles (from earth). But I see Apollo was closer to the surface at 70 miles vs Artemis at 4,070 miles.
I agree that the technology in existence in 1969 made it possible for man to actually step foot on the moon. Armstrong walked on the moon. No doubt about that in my mind.They wouldn't have gotten there if it wasn't. Some science is cut and dried. Don't need today's tech to do that.
I'm holding out hope that this thread will evolve into reasonable expressions of differing opinions about whether or not man landed on the moon in 1969.Yeah sadly this might become yet another deny makind abilities thread...
I am watching it very cool stuff.
Which really isnt the topic? Tgere were many of those badly endjng threads. Lets enjoy the Artemis mission?I'm holding out hope that this thread will evolve into reasonable expressions of differing opinions about whether or not man landed on the moon in 1969.