Very disappointed, again...

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...I'm busy at work, and decided to take the guitar mods to a local shop.

I know that the 10+ shops I've visited in this town don't have a guitar tech between them, and I know that every time I've paid for a shop to do some work, and every time one of my friends/colleagues have paid to have some work done that the Korean 'workmen' have either: 1) broken the guitar; 2) ballsed the job up and made it worse.

But, last trip to the guitar shop area, I met a shop owner who made acoustics, has decades of practice a full workbench of expensive tools, etc, so I thought I'd give him a go.

It didn't start well... I wanted a SD put into the neck of a tele and the volume turned into a split for that neck pickup only. I also had a Tonepros bridge set, USA spec, that even though my tele is Indonesian made looks like it might fit perfectly (can't find exact specs for the tele onine), so I wanted him to see if that fits while the strings are off. Also, I had a set of Ernie Ball 9-46 to put on instead of the dead 9-42s. Not too much of an ask all in all - I could do it meself, but just felt lazy.

He said the job was too hard for him, didn't know the SD colour coding. I said, the Cort/Manson (BKP) wiring looks to be the exact same colour usage. He says he has a mate who is the electronics whizz around town and has a shop 5 minutes away, he drives me there. The fella says the job is easy, there are others sitting there waiting for his tech work who say they've used him before and he's good, so I leave the guitar and go for a coffee.

...coming back at 4pm, guitar not ready, he says something about it's a harder job than he thought and will need another 24 hours. My Korean is not good, so I says ok see you tomorrow at 4pm.

At 4pm, next day, the guitar is ready, so I have a quick gander and strum/pick a few notes

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Massive difference between the neck and bridge volume levels - he has put the bridge puppy down as low as it will go, but still the volume differential is far too much.

"Why is the neck pickup so low? Why not the same level as the one you took out?", I ask
"The screws were too short." He says
"Why didn't you use the ones holding in the old puppy?"
"Wrong size."
"Why didn't you get some screws the right length?"
"*^$%&*&%$$" Goes into heavy Korean which I cannot understand.

"Did you not feel the need to intonate the bridge?"
"$%^%*(%$"

"Why did you turn the new bridge around instead of just copying the old saddle pattern to get the ballpark intonation?"
"The bridge only fitted on one way, not the other way, I tried."

"The low E is badly buzzing, you didn't file down the nut did you?"
"$%^&**^$"

"Did you touch the truss rod?"
"Yes, I did the truss rod." "Do you want me to do the intonation for you?"
"No thanks, I'll take it home and do it, meself..."

I put the guitar in its bag, yes I did pay the $55 because I thought if I was there much longer I'd start getting upset, and it's not great to get angry in foreign countries when the fella's brother is probably the local head of immigration, and I decide to get the bus home - scenic route around town, I like looking around, and it only takes 35 minutes or so.

I get home, take out the guitar, the neck pickup has already fallen out. So, I take the strings off (he had wound the strings around the locking tuners (they only have to be threaded through and the button rotated...), he was right about the screws, different diametre, so he has drilled new holes (thanks for that, stops me using the old screws to fix the neck pickup height problem). I did bring the pole pieces up, as SDs are designed to do (he clearly wasn't aware of this - what with Seymour Duncan being such an obscure manufacturer in the guitar world...) which improved the problem, but not enough - I'm gonna have to head out shopping and buy some longer screws and some foam to put under - there was a clue for him: the old pickup had a piece of foam on and and screws which were exactly the correct length/type...


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To be fair to Cort, once I had a look at the bridge that had been taken off it was of equal quality to the Tonepros, the same markings underneath, same weight (the tailpiece too) - I reackon they were unstampped Gotoh parts - everything on this Cort is excellent quality, the guitar needed no modification at all. :cautious:

Obviously, I turned the Tonepros around and copied the bridge stagger pattern from the initial bridge to get me a decent intonation starting point. It fitted perfectly. Cort used USA spec bridge/tailpiece. Not only was the 'tech' fukin useless, he was a fukin liar too...

&, no, he hadn't tightened the allen screws on the Tonepros bridge and tailpiece...

Now for the really funny part (I've probably forgotten about other bits he fuk'd up, and I haven't even had the heart to take the backplate off and look at the soldering yet, but to my surprise the kill button and push/pull do work correctly!), I was in a hurry to go out and meet friends for dinner, but felt the need to correct the guitar, in a hurry while half in and out of the shower, fell over, smashed the guitar to the ground (seems ok, teles are tough, and this Cort is very well made - this fall would have smashed my Gibson headstock off 100% certainly)) fell onto an upturned chair and fractured a couple of ribs, bruised my kidneys and generally put my back and left side of my body in pain. It was good pain too, winded on the floor, for the first few seconds I wondered if I'd broken my back... Actually, two days later, I'm feeling much better. Nothing serious, I was lucky.

But, I will never, NEVER, N-E-V-E-R goto a Korean guitar 'tech' again.

& yes, apart from the longer screws, I have fixed the bits he fuk'd up. &, yes, in case you were wondering, he had turned the truss rod the wrong way...

:io:
 
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I am sorry to hear both you and your guitar were hurt. I am glad that you will both fix easily.

I have 2 similar stories with "the greatest techs ever" daamaging expensive guitars, which I how I learned to do setups. I havea dozen such stories iinvolving "the greatest auto mechanic". Please remember this experience next time you doubt your ability to do the job. Your care and appreciation for the instrument will likely result in a better job than most others would do.
 
That's a lesson learned the hard way. It's many a year since I let anybody else touch my guitars. Guitar setup is one of those things you can learn a little at a time - start with intonation, then bridge height. Move on to truss rod setting. Once you are happy with all of that you can start the non-reversible things like nut filing and fret levelling.

A bit of rudimentary electronics takes you to changing pickups, switches and pots. And all of a sudden you are a luthier.
 
...I'm busy at work, and decided to take the guitar mods to a local shop.

I know that the 10+ shops I've visited in this town don't have a guitar tech between them, and I know that every time I've paid for a shop to do some work, and every time one of my friends/colleagues have paid to have some work done that the Korean 'workmen' have either: 1) broken the guitar; 2) ballsed the job up and made it worse.

But, last trip to the guitar shop area, I met a shop owner who made acoustics, has decades of practice a full workbench of expensive tools, etc, so I thought I'd give him a go.

It didn't start well... I wanted a SD put into the neck of a tele and the volume turned into a split for that neck pickup only. I also had a Tonepros bridge set, USA spec, that even though my tele is Indonesian made looks like it might fit perfectly (can't find exact specs for the tele onine), so I wanted him to see if that fits while the strings are off. Also, I had a set of Ernie Ball 9-46 to put on instead of the dead 9-42s. Not too much of an ask all in all - I could do it meself, but just felt lazy.

He said the job was too hard for him, didn't know the SD colour coding. I said, the Cort/Manson (BKP) wiring looks to be the exact same colour usage. He says he has a mate who is the electronics whizz around town and has a shop 5 minutes away, he drives me there. The fella says the job is easy, there are others sitting there waiting for his tech work who say they've used him before and he's good, so I leave the guitar and go for a coffee.

...coming back at 4pm, guitar not ready, he says something about it's a harder job than he thought and will need another 24 hours. My Korean is not good, so I says ok see you tomorrow at 4pm.

At 4pm, next day, the guitar is ready, so I have a quick gander and strum/pick a few notes

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Massive difference between the neck and bridge volume levels - he has put the bridge puppy down as low as it will go, but still the volume differential is far too much.

"Why is the neck pickup so low? Why not the same level as the one you took out?", I ask
"The screws were too short." He says
"Why didn't you use the ones holding in the old puppy?"
"Wrong size."
"Why didn't you get some screws the right length?"
"*^$%&*&%$$" Goes into heavy Korean which I cannot understand.

"Did you not feel the need to intonate the bridge?"
"$%^%*(%$"

"Why did you turn the new bridge around instead of just copying the old saddle pattern to get the ballpark intonation?"
"The bridge only fitted on one way, not the other way, I tried."

"The low E is badly buzzing, you didn't file down the nut did you?"
"$%^&**^$"

"Did you touch the truss rod?"
"Yes, I did the truss rod." "Do you want me to do the intonation for you?"
"No thanks, I'll take it home and do it, meself..."

I put the guitar in its bag, yes I did pay the $55 because I thought if I was there much longer I'd start getting upset, and it's not great to get angry in foreign countries when the fellas brother is probably the local head of immigration, and I decide to get the bus home - scenic route around town, I like looking around, and it only takes 35 minutes or so.

I get home, take out the guitar, the neck pickup has already fallen out. So, I take the strings off (he had wound the strings around the locking tuners (they only have to be threaded through and the button rotated...), he was right about the screws, different diametre, so he has drilled new holes (thanks for that, stops me using the old screws to fix the neck pickup height problem). I did bring the pole pieces up, as SDs are designed to do (he clearly wasn't aware of this - what with Seymour Duncan being such an obscure manufacturer in the guitar world...) which improved the problem, but not enough - I'm gonna have to head out shopping and buy some longer screws and some foam to put under - there was a clue for him: the old pickup had a piece of foam on and and screws which were exactly the correct length/type...


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To be fair to Cort, once I had a look at the bridge that had been taken off it was of equal quality to the Tonepros, the same markings underneath, same weight (the tailpiece too) - I reackon they were unstampped Gotoh parts - everything on this Cort is excellemnt quality, the guitar needed no modification at all. :cautious:

Obviously, I turned the Tonepros around and copied the bridge stagger pattern from the initial bridge to get me a decent intonation starting point. It fitted perfectly. Cort used USA sec bridge/tailpiece. Not only was the 'tech' fukin useless, he was a fukin liar too...

Now for the really funny part (I've probably forgotten about other bits he fuk'd up, and I haven't even had the heart to take the backplate off and look at the soldering yet, but to my surprise the kill button and push/pull do work correctly!), I was in a hurry to go out and meet friends for dinner, but felt the need to correct the guitar, in a hurry while half in and out of the shower, fell over, smashed the guitar to the ground (seems ok, teles are tough, and this Cort is very well made - this fall would have smashed my Gibson headstock off 100% certainly)) fell onto an upturned chair and fractured a couple of ribs, bruised my kidneys and generally put my back and left side of my body in pain. It was good pain too, winded on the floor, for the first few seconds I wondered if I'd broken my back... Actually, two days later, I'm feeling much better. Nothing serious, I was lucky.

But, I will never, NEVER, N-E-V-E-R goto a Korean guitar 'tech' again.

& yes, apart from the longer screws, I have fixed the bits he fuk'd up. &, yes, in case you were wondering, he had turned the truss rod the wrong way...

:io:

Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad your blood pressure didn't lift your head off your shoulders!!!!!
 
Very sorry about your fall and injuries. That's no laughing matter.
But the so called "tech" sounds like a joke.
You're the only one that knows how you want your guitar to sound and feel.
I too have given up on others with supposedly magical abilities, only having to redo the job myself within a day.
The old saying, If you want something done right, do it yourself, always seems to ring true.

Wishing you a speedy & painless recovery from your injuries.
But it sounds like you're already back in the saddle.
 
I am sorry to hear both you and your guitar were hurt. I am glad that you will both fix easily.

I have 2 similar stories with "the greatest techs ever" daamaging expensive guitars, which I how I learned to do setups. I havea dozen such stories iinvolving "the greatest auto mechanic". Please remember this experience next time you doubt your ability to do the job. Your care and appreciation for the instrument will likely result in a better job than most others would do.

Same thing here, Man...what I lack in experience, I make up for in care and attention to detail.

You inspired me to do this stuff myself. Thank you...
 
I agree with all four of you.

But at the same time, how can these 'professionals' that have shops and are at it all day just not do these simple tasks well? I mean work is kinda easy, we do a job, learn it over time then learn to do the basics well and quickly - why can't a guitar tech put a pickup in, change the bridge, setup and intonate the guitar? It's almost harder to do it badly...

:confused:

In future, I won't be so lazy, and I'll just do it myself. As I ended up doing this time, minus the soldering.

Edit: and thank you for your good wishes, just aches and pains fortunately.
 
I agree with all four of you.

But at the same time, how can these 'professionals' that have shops and are at it all day just not do these simple tasks well? I mean work is kinda easy, we do a job, learn it over time then learn to do the basics well and quickly - why can't a guitar tech put a pickup in, change the bridge, setup and intonate the guitar? It's almost harder to do it badly...

:confused:

In future, I won't be so lazy, and I'll just do it myself. As I ended up doing this time, minus the soldering.

Dude,

There is a Kat down here in SoCal...almost famous for his Luthier abilities...so I paid him to set up one of my guitars. It was awful.

Neck had a slight back bow, high action, top wrapped the stop bar, cutting grooves in it and intonation was off by a mile....plus I have seen techs intonating with a bloody Snark!!!!!
 
Funnily enough, I have done set-ups on friends' guitars because there's nobody else around, and much of that I learnt on here and on ESG, but I'm nowhere near the level of anybody else on this thread, and don't particularly enjoy doing it either - everytime I turn the truss rod I have to think about which way does what; it's far from automatic knowledge (but, I think going from a leftie to a rightie confused me there too; not sure if it should've done or not!).

Anyways, you fellas are right, and we've all seen what's possible via RVA's (any others') excellent adventure.
 
I do my own stuff usually.
Once in a while I bring a guitar to this guy.

The American Guitar Museum Home Page

He has never failed me....yet.
So far so good.
This is Chris, right? He keeps a messy shop just past that "Museum", right? He carelessly put scratches and tool impressions on one of my PRS . It was deplorable. He is the guy that made me never go again. Ask him, he will remember me.
 
Hmmm.
It's easily 2 years since I've been there.
If he's gotten careless he will not see me again.
Thanks for the warning.
No need for details.
If he scratched a guitar that is detail enough.
...and tool impressions are completely unforgiveable in my world.
 
Wow, thought I was having a bad day.
Sorry to hear of the anguish and injuries BOO, glad you are getting it sorted.

I do tool impressions all the time: Look! I'm a Tool!!
 
No worries, jtcnj, it's all a growing experience!

And, on the plus side, the wife has been very kind to me for a few days, and work offered me a research sabatical for four months with just a few teaching hours per week.

:D
 
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