Band Battle Floyd vs Maiden let's go brothers!

[Clockworkmike]

@Clockworkmike in this case It's highly arguable by some (and that includes me) and anyone else who believes melody is important, and understands faster and louder does not necessarily increase musicality.

Keep griping all you want, it won't change the fact that more people who enjoy music of all types would likely eject Iron Maiden out of the deck within seconds of hearing it, far before they would a recording by Pink Floyd.

Lol griping? Nah. But clearly you never listened to Maiden if you think they are just speed and not melody. Judge them by the first album? Sure. Judge them by Killers? Argument begins to fail. Judge them from Number of the Beast onward? And your argument is completely lost to the wayside.

But hey, take the win and enjoy it. I remember this idea was pitched out of the hair metal thing that I don't think anyone had a vote on, by @gball actually, having mentioning a battle of the hard rock/metal acts of the mid 70s and early 80s. Instead, we got ... this lol

 

[ibmorjamn]

And once again, saying that Maiden is lacking Melody in their compositions is not entirely true. They play a symphony of melody but is a frantic pace so definitely not as soothing as Pink Floyd. Sort of the opposite.
I really like Dave Murray’s tone and solo compositions. I will try to hold my tongue.

 

[TVvoodoo]

I think what this series is proving generally is while there is a core group of so called "metal-heads" very active here on TTR, niche tastes are exactly that...
Many others here seem to enjoy a wider range of musical exposure and appreciation.

All the fanatical fervor you can muster is still only worth your own single vote. Sorry!

You did state earlier Maiden could DESTROY any band on this list, and you could prove it... Well, here's your chance to win me over.

My vote is changeable, along with all others... you have nearly 20 hours.

 

[Sapient]

Maiden is a great band and very technically proficient but for me this one goes to The Pink Floyd. I think their brand is much more intriguing and complicated as well.

 

[TVvoodoo]

And, when this tourney is complete ... i welcome anyone else to formulate the definitive battle of the bands contest front-to-back however you wish to slice it and promise to participate honestly and eagerly!

 

[ibmorjamn]

I think what this series is proving generally is while there is a core group of so called "metal-heads" very active here on TTR, niche tastes are exactly that...
Many others here seem to enjoy a wider range of musical exposure and appreciation.

All the fanatical fervor you can muster is still only worth your own single vote. Sorry!

You did state earlier Maiden could DESTROY any band on this list, and you could prove it... Well, here's your chance to win me over.

My vote is changeable, along with all others... you have nearly 20 hours.

I did ? Ok , well that turns out false. Maybe I should have said in my mind. lol

 

[TVvoodoo]

Not you @ibmorjamn, that was for @Clockworkmike but I'll bet you feel similar.

I'm reasonable, pit the best three maiden songs EVER against the best three 1970s Floyd songs here in this thread. I'll listen. so will others
In fact, if you headbangers can can muster up even close to a tie, (within 2 votes) I'll extend the vote on this contest for four more days.

You and or Clocky choose the Maiden songs. Anyone volunteer to pick the Floyd songs?

Let's weigh and measure.

 

[Jethro Rocker]

It's personal taste though. Maiden has some very melodic stuff and very good musicianship. They are my style of music, PF is not overly.
Doesn't make one necessarily "better" than the other and what the masses like is irrelevant. The record buying public is very fickle.
It is hard to judge and rate art.
I should add, I appreciate Adele's talent and also like jazz, swing and some classical. Not just what is considered metal.

 

[Clockworkmike]

I think what this series is proving generally is while there is a core group of so called "metal-heads" very active here on TTR, niche tastes are exactly that...
Many others here seem to enjoy a wider range of musical exposure and appreciation.

All the fanatical fervor you can muster is still only worth your own single vote. Sorry!

You did state earlier Maiden could DESTROY any band on this list, and you could prove it... Well, here's your chance to win me over.

My vote is changeable, along with all others... you have nearly 20 hours.

Deal, you're on!. Fact is unlike some members here, I'm sure, including yourself? I actually LISTEN to EVERY single band on this list and I can talk about them; not writing off certain ones because "Oh! It's different, it must suck! Metal you say? Mindless drivel!". Why do you think I talk and add a description under each and post a video of both? I didn't this time because of your initial post bashing Maiden made me go on the defensive. My taste is hardly niche and FAR more open minded than what I'm seeing, so you got those roles reversed.

But? You're on! 20hrs you say? Easy. You'll only need roughly 40 mins. Less time than listening to an entire album. You game? Remember, your judging melody, appeal, songwriting, proficiency and production.


Give these 3 songs a listen, all the way through and not some generic perusing. If you still say it's garbage and without merit, lacking melody and only has volume and speed? Then I'll bow out of this voting entirely. You got my word

 

[TVvoodoo]

I've got a big road trip tomorrow. And for the record I'd never say anything is outright garbage except perhaps what they call "New Music." I don't know that I "bashed" Maiden, I tried to be fair with what little i knew , one member noted it seemed fair enough to him.

I've stated before in this contest I have sampled a rather wide variety of music through my life. Pop, rock, jazz, country, and even held a brass second chair in a 65 piece classical orchestra on a college scholarship. But to be able to do that, I have not been able to sample nor appreciate all that was created. Iron Maiden just never made my playlist, because it was initially off-putting. But, it makes my list tomorrow. Promise.

And, I'm pretty sure there are others here with similar or likely even MORE musical "cred" than my own scope.. I challenge everyone here to also do the prescribed dive on Maiden to see what the fuss might be about.
Report your thoughts, and change your vote if you feel it is warranted.

Just be careful to not get caught convincing yourself your favourite band makes the best music in the world ever, and that None Shall Pass.

Art is no contest, it's how it hits us individually.

Who here knows Floyd better than I? Probaby most of you!!! Post the tastiest of the 70's cuts please

 

[ibmorjamn]

 

[ibmorjamn]

It's personal taste though. Maiden has some very melodic stuff and very good musicianship. They are my style of music, PF is not overly.
Doesn't make one necessarily "better" than the other and what the masses like is irrelevant. The record buying public is very fickle.
It is hard to judge and rate art.
I should add, I appreciate Adele's talent and also like jazz, swing and some classical. Not just what is considered metal.

Well said Jethro.

 

[ibmorjamn]

 

[smitty_p]

As a metal band, I think Iron Maiden is at or near the pinnacle. To me, they have a varied form, they are melodic in their lyrics, they demonstrate great musicianship, and their lyrical content makes you think.

I do not think Maiden is a bad band; quite the contrary, they are a very, very good band.

A lot of these things come down to context.

Even if we remove any time period limitation, the argument can be made that Pink Floyd still holds sway over Iron Maiden. Record sales alone support this. Pink Floyd's worldwide record sales are 250 million. Iron Maiden has sold 130 million.

 

[ibmorjamn]

As a metal band, I think Iron Maiden is at or near the pinnacle. To me, they have a varied form, they are melodic in their lyrics, they demonstrate great musicianship, and their lyrical content makes you think.

I do not think Maiden is a bad band; quite the contrary, they are very, very good band.

A lot of these things come down to context.

Even if we remove any time period limitation, the argument can be made that Pink Floyd still holds sway over Iron Maiden. Record sales alone support this. Pink Floyd's worldwide record sales are 250 million. Iron Maiden has sold 130 million.

Well , I already conceded or agree to disagree. They are both great bands.
Vocals , guitars , bass and drums.

 

[smitty_p]

But hey, take the win and enjoy it. I remember this idea was pitched out of the hair metal thing that I don't think anyone had a vote on, by @gball actually, having mentioning a battle of the hard rock/metal acts of the mid 70s and early 80s. Instead, we got ... this lol

There's nothing to preclude such a contest from still happening. This contest is not being done instead of what @gball suggested. This contest right now was simply an opportunity to look at bands the forum recommended for a time period. All the bands on the list came from forum members.

A contest for hard rock and metal is still very much a possibility. I'm guessing @TVvoodoo may be kind of burnt out from working the other contest and now this one, so I'm not sure he'll have the motivation to arrange another one. But, he is not the only one on the forum who could do that. We moderators didn't get together and appoint him that role. I don't know; maybe he'd jump at the opportunity. The point is, it doesn't have to be him.

If someone wants to put together a hard rock/metal tournament, go ahead! I suppose there would have to be some definition of hard rock and metal. There may be bands that have edged up to that category without being full-on "hard" rock or metal.

Anyway, this is about having fun. I think these tourneys are a great camaraderie builder.

Incidentally, @Clockworkmike , you deserve some thanks, as well. The "Name That Riff" challenge also proved to be a great thread that built a community spirit. It still gets input, so well done on that!

 

[Clockworkmike]

There's nothing to preclude such a contest from still happening. This contest is not being done instead of what @gball suggested. This contest right now was simply an opportunity to look at bands the forum recommended for a time period. All the bands on the list came from forum members.

A contest for hard rock and metal is still very much a possibility. I'm guessing @TVvoodoo may be kind of burnt out from working the other contest and now this one, so I'm not sure he'll have the motivation to arrange another one. But, he is not the only one on the forum who could do that. We moderators didn't get together and appoint him that role. I don't know; maybe he'd jump at the opportunity. The point is, it doesn't have to be him.

If someone wants to put together a hard rock/metal tournament, go ahead! I suppose there would have to be some definition of hard rock and metal. There may be bands that have edged up to that category without being full-on "hard" rock or metal.

Anyway, this is about having fun. I think these tourneys are a great camaraderie builder.

Incidentally, @Clockworkmike , you deserve some thanks, as well. The "Name That Riff" challenge also proved to be a great thread that built a community spirit. It still gets input, so well done on that!

Absolutely, and that's my point: I like these contests that @TVvoodoo puts together like these votes and the guitar god challenge thing we did. It was fun and got people talking. So there's no disrespect here on my end, rather the opposite.

And Im cool with this being a multifaceted era of rock, vs just the hard rock/metal thing. But where I dug my heels in, was having metal itself kind of being passed over and diminished as noise without judging it fairly. And the irony of it is, that while I am biased towards hard rock and metal? I'm also very personally rooted in old classic rock first and foremost, as well as even the more off-beat genres that a lot of people like myself don't normally listen to: i.e, Motown, Soul, Blues and even some older country.

I'll be the first to admit that there is a LOT of metal that IS noise. Ever listen to Norwegian Black Metal, Grindcore or Tampa Death Metal? It's... rough lol not my usual cup of tea but even still, I can find something good in it, like the drums or guitars. Vocally? No, almost never because it's the cookie monster or a dying crow.

But that's been the unfair assessment of metal by non-metal fans: that its ALL Noise or it lacks any melody or talent. Iron Maiden for example? Is the best case of not judging a book by its cover. You look at the album covers and you see this zombie, Eddie. To the passerby, you assume it's this fast, dark, evil music right? But you listen to them, especially outside of their debut album and suddenly you're surprised by harmonized guitars, melodical interludes, intricate song structures and soaringly clear vocals that are singing songs about novels and history.

So maybe out of this? Hopefully out of all of this? Some other people might open their ears and eyes to the idea that metal and hard rock IS something bigger. And I hope that if there are the true devout metalheads? They'll be just as open to classic acts like Steppenwolf or The Doors for example, who would be totally opposite of what they listen to normally.

Like I said earlier, I can legitimately say I listen to every single band on this list and with the exception of 2 bands, I listened to all the nominees too. Because I try not to pigeonholed myself and just really just enjoy ALL forms of guitar driven music

 

[smitty_p]

So maybe out of this? Hopefully out of all of this? Some other people might open their ears and eyes to the idea that metal and hard rock IS something bigger. And I hope that if there are the true devout metalheads? They'll be just as open to classic acts like Steppenwolf or The Doors for example, who would be totally opposite of what they listen to normally.

I'll definitely agree with you on that. One thing I often do when listening to a song for the first time is to pull up the lyrics and read them either before listening to the song or while I'm listening to it.

Sometimes, a person's perception of a group will be influenced by focusing on what they say before listening to what they play.

 

[Sargeant Preston]

muster up even close to a tie, (within 2 votes) I'll extend the vote on this contest for four more days.

The Rolling Stones are requesting a four day extension.

 

[Far Rider]

Absolutely, and that's my point: I like these contests that @TVvoodoo puts together like these votes and the guitar god challenge thing we did. It was fun and got people talking. So there's no disrespect here on my end, rather the opposite.

And Im cool with this being a multifaceted era of rock, vs just the hard rock/metal thing. But where I dug my heels in, was having metal itself kind of being passed over and diminished as noise without judging it fairly. And the irony of it is, that while I am biased towards hard rock and metal? I'm also very personally rooted in old classic rock first and foremost, as well as even the more off-beat genres that a lot of people like myself don't normally listen to: i.e, Motown, Soul, Blues and even some older country.

I'll be the first to admit that there is a LOT of metal that IS noise. Ever listen to Norwegian Black Metal, Grindcore or Tampa Death Metal? It's... rough lol not my usual cup of tea but even still, I can find something good in it, like the drums or guitars. Vocally? No, almost never because it's the cookie monster or a dying crow.

But that's been the unfair assessment of metal by non-metal fans: that its ALL Noise or it lacks any melody or talent. Iron Maiden for example? Is the best case of not judging a book by its cover. You look at the album covers and you see this zombie, Eddie. To the passerby, you assume it's this fast, dark, evil music right? But you listen to them, especially outside of their debut album and suddenly you're surprised by harmonized guitars, melodical interludes, intricate song structures and soaringly clear vocals that are singing songs about novels and history.

So maybe out of this? Hopefully out of all of this? Some other people might open their ears and eyes to the idea that metal and hard rock IS something bigger. And I hope that if there are the true devout metalheads? They'll be just as open to classic acts like Steppenwolf or The Doors for example, who would be totally opposite of what they listen to normally.

Like I said earlier, I can legitimately say I listen to every single band on this list and with the exception of 2 bands, I listened to all the nominees too. Because I try not to pigeonholed myself and just really just enjoy ALL forms of guitar driven musicll

Mike, If any of my stupid jokes insulted you or your taste in music, I profoundly and profusely apologize. I have tended to paint with a wide brush my opinion of all Metal music. Self-imposed limited exposure due to what I've heard in the past is probably to blame. One other huge reason I've avoided it is my hearing. I have a genetic defect that has been causing me to lose it throughout the years. That and too many loud concerts. In any case, I've always been drawn to music that I can understand from a hearing standpoint. Some hard driving music, such as Metal, can be indecipherable to me. Vocalists who have a very high pitched voice, or who tend to scream, are lost on me. So I've always avoided such groups.