EZ Drummer 2 Not my First Rant

ibmorjamn said:
I do pull all of the effects , embellishments in the way the parts are played or over played. Crazy fills , just to many hits. I tried editing the snares and bass but I guess I need more time with it. My best option so far is tapping out a beat on the keys or pads.

I will try watching the videos and see if that helps. I just feel that out of the box it needs work. Most of what I want is just basic stuff.
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Yeah…they’ve gotta justify charging for each hit. I would suggest sequencing your own midi, or…maybe try downloading some free midi stuff…I like this person from YouTube…

www.youtube.com

Only Drums

The purpose of the channel to allow fans to play for a good minus. Цель канала дать возможность любителям побрыньчать под хороший минус. My mail yaltapredator@gmail.com
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

Maybe I’ll take a stab at this…


…or…I see some Sabbath and A Perfect Circle stuff that’s been put up recently…

Edit: They drop download links in the video descriptions….just drag and drop to a track in Reaper(or whatever)..
 
Thatbastarddon said:
Yeah…they’ve gotta justify charging for each hit. I would suggest sequencing your own midi, or…maybe try downloading some free midi stuff…I like this person from YouTube…

www.youtube.com

Only Drums

The purpose of the channel to allow fans to play for a good minus. Цель канала дать возможность любителям побрыньчать под хороший минус. My mail yaltapredator@gmail.com
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

Maybe I’ll take a stab at this…


…or…I see some Sabbath and A Perfect Circle stuff that’s been put up recently…

Edit: They drop download links in the video descriptions….just drag and drop to a track in Reaper(or whatever)..
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Does EZ drummer 2 have a sequencecer or are you referring to EZ3 ?
Or it's Reaper?
 
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67plexi said:
I'm learning Native Instruments with Ableton Live 12 DAW with Komplete Kontrol keyboard and Machine MK3
getting good recordings with real drums also my friend Joe has been a drummer Pro 55 years I'm running the board
what gets me is my worst snare drum DW Collectors 5.5" x 14" cuts through the mix best for recording
Live my 3 Noble & Cooley snare drums rule I've been a live player my whole life so recording is new to me.

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That's cool but way more than I would spend. Of course I don't earn money with music or I would consider it.
 
Thatbastarddon said:
Reaper has a midi editor.
Check this….

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I was just watching that video after doing some web searching. I am pretty much going to be switching most of my recordings to the Volt 476 and Reaper.

What sold me on Reaper today is I plugged in my keyboard for the first time , changed a couple of settings in EZ drummer and the control surface just worked.

The midi editing will be icing on the cake or drums. Lol
Besides the video editing.
 
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ibmorjamn said:
Does EZ drummer 2 have a sequencecer or are you referring to EZ3 ?
Or it's Reaper?
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EZD 2 does not have an actual grid editor…it has something different, and weird, for editing its own midi…


A standard grid editor was not a part of EZD 2, although many may have asked for one…
EZD 3 does have a grid editor…the one from Superior….


I haven’t dug into it, but it looks fairly straightforward. Though, I’m curious now about the “humanize” features…I’m fairly used to my rudimentary style of midi mangling in Reaper.
But I’m watching this now…he likes Superior…but points out the “easy” in the EZD concept. Mix-ready vs total more control over sample sounds…so far…


There’s value in both. One is like an artists sketchbook, while the other is more like an artists full paint setup. Not the greatest analogy, but I hope you get my drift.
I, for one, would appreciate Superior Drummer quite a bit for its depth and flexibility, BUT (being honest here) I don’t think I would ever “finish” anything with it…I would tinker and tweak forever.
I can get what I want from EZD without being distracted by random minutiae…sometimes I might want that, but I can get that from recording and editing actual drums…and I’ve logged in plenty of time doing so.
 
Thatbastarddon said:
EZD 2 does not have an actual grid editor…it has something different, and weird, for editing its own midi…


A standard grid editor was not a part of EZD 2, although many may have asked for one…
EZD 3 does have a grid editor…the one from Superior….


I haven’t dug into it, but it looks fairly straightforward. Though, I’m curious now about the “humanize” features…I’m fairly used to my rudimentary style of midi mangling in Reaper.
But I’m watching this now…he likes Superior…but points out the “easy” in the EZD concept. Mix-ready vs total more control over sample sounds…so far…


There’s value in both. One is like an artists sketchbook, while the other is more like an artists full paint setup. Not the greatest analogy, but I hope you get my drift.
I, for one, would appreciate Superior Drummer quite a bit for its depth and flexibility, BUT (being honest here) I don’t think I would ever “finish” anything with it…I would tinker and tweak forever.
I can get what I want from EZD without being distracted by random minutiae…sometimes I might want that, but I can get that from recording and editing actual drums…and I’ve logged in plenty of time doing so.
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Got it.
 
Crossgrade from EZ 1,2, or 3 to superior drummer is on sale. Only $319
Superior seems to way to wany options but not enough.
Back to complaining about ez2. I get pre mixed = EZ. What crap production uses so much compression and reverb when you play back in the DAW it's just terrible.

I say this because when I started I spent a little time and put some stuff together.
I didn't know the mixer had editing options. So the first few things I did had that horrible pop. It went from EZ to "do over". Of course I know better know.
 
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ibmorjamn said:
Crossgrade from EZ 1,2, or 3 to superior drummer is on sale. Only $319
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You do you…I honestly thought you were, maybe, gonna jump for SSD…and throw your $ at someone other than ToonTrack…or learn mor about editing/using midi.

Have you downloaded any of the OnlyDrums midi files, and dropped it into a Reaper project track running EZD 2 yet? Might be an eye opener….
 
Thatbastarddon said:
You do you…I honestly thought you were, maybe, gonna jump for SSD…and throw your $ at someone other than ToonTrack…or learn mor about editing/using midi.

Have you downloaded any of the OnlyDrums midi files, and dropped it into a Reaper project track running EZD 2 yet? Might be an eye opener….
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Not yet no. EZ drummer was the tip of the iceberg for me. SSD has a free version but if I can work around with midi I will do that or at least try.
 
ibmorjamn said:
I guess I like the idea of creating something or editing to make it mine.
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That’s what you do when you learn to edit midi for these types of plugins. Until you learn to do that, you’ll be tossing money at fancier versions of the things you’re trying to learn how to use. The download suggestion is just an example of what a piece of well built drum midi will be like, once you learn to write/edit it. It may show you that EZD 2 can sound pretty darned good if you talk to it right. All these plugins do is host samples, and give you the tools to further shape the output sounds…they do what they’re told…midi tells them what to do…how hard to do it…how long to do it…how fast to do it….where in time to do it.
 
ibmorjamn said:
The prices first for expansions. The lack of just more in an expansion. The limited number of options in each pack. The one I bought recently was custom shop. It barely has anything in the library.

The drums come with the Reverb and compression dialed up so in modern they pop but not in a good way.
The drummers in hard rock add to much extra and the variations are limited. You struggle to find a straight beat with out excess.

There is way to little for to much money.
I have had it for a couple of years.
If you want to change genres you have to buy an expansion pack every time.I don't want to give them another dime.

There are some options for jazz, latin and other styles but if you want something specific you must get your wallet and it begins add up.

If EZ drummer 3 was out when I bought EZ drummer 2 now knowing what I know it would have been an easy choice .
I refuse to give them $100 to upgrade what I have already spent more than that on 2.
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Small tip, think like a drummer & not a guitar player & you can manipulate EZD 2 or 3 any way you want. The genres are really not mattering when you break it down to the beat you want & where on the count you want emphasis.

My experience ditch the glitz & glam in the baked in beats & take things out of the preset beats & make your own. Think of it at a kit & it really is, i have never used a stock beat ever..Just alter them to want i want out of it.

Every song i do & to me drums always & i mean always matter more than another thing in a mix whether in a band or playing g digi world, its the foundation the emotion the pace . Where the drums ..we go,,,,. I use EZD to translate what i come up with on my kit.
 
My drum teacher had me start out with Stick Control

Stick Control – Hudson Music

hudsonmusic.com hudsonmusic.com
then when I thought I had it 1/4 speed 1/2 speed 3/4 speed full speed playing each measure 20 times
when I got that forward reverse inverted to get through 8 pages took 5 hours
now when playing my guitar a scale the forward reverse inverted made my solos different from most
I'm sure that's what Jimmi Hendrix learned teaming up with Mitch Mitchell
 
ibmorjamn said:
For EZ I would like to see in each one of the selections just one straight simple beat to go along with their other ideas.
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I dunno man…if you want to work inside the plug, maybe you , might wanna think about upgrading to EZD 3 or SD…for the sequencer. Once you learn to set your loops up in the onboard sequencer, things would come together for you more…and you already have kit and midi packs…
 
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