Recto help

Ramo said:
Yea i plug in normal send/return
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Then I am definitely sensing that there is something you will need figured out between the pedal and the amp, like watch those videos I posted and report back.

I would maybe try the simplest thing of visually looking at the jack that you plug the footswitch in. Is it clean, no bent pieces, etc.
Then, use maybe 1 effect and plug it in, then plug in the front with the minimum, and see if your signal between the switches works with every push of each switch, and then see how the sound is impacted, like does it improve or get worse that that clip you posted above.

Keep us posted.
 
Last night i played the Singers 2 6l6 amp with volume & presence knob. he builds custom amps. Played out of a 1x15 jbl PA cab at 8ohms & was right there.
I was in the mix with 2 el34 4x12 half stacks at only half on the volume knob of amp .

Used my board as Ampeg grind & cut low freq. You heard every single drum hit-dual leads & individual bass notes. We played 3 hours strait & head is not ringing like when i play by myself at home. lol

A proper mix is what makes a local band sound better than ego maniac volume self serving musicians in it for them selves.
 
Also had the band room mic'd not in PA but 5 room mics to put it on EQ graph on huge Computer Screen. We could see the levels of each instrument & built leveling around the drums. So easy to do, Simple room mic check. Move the 2 guitarist in dif EQ zone & me & kick set & i shelved a lot of where guitars ended low. The guitarist did not have the mud low end even tho in Drop An & B at times. So the motor was running EQ wise then everything was layered & we all softened attack during verses, Dynamics even tho heavy being incorporated made the heavies clear & authoritative when the build up was lower volume before we hit breakdowns..
 
Ramo, don't forget to keep us abreast of any findings on diagnosing and the remedy to the Recto issues. What was the history before you got it and the story about how you came about owning the the amp. Also if I missed it, what Rev is it?
 
I just had a thought pop in my head. With so many options for metal/ hi gain amps, do modeling amps have a place for performers like Ramo instead of chasing his sound through a Recto of questionable reliability? Something like a Kemper...
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
I just had a thought pop in my head. With so many options for metal/ hi gain amps, do modeling amps have a place for performers like Ramo instead of chasing his sound through a Recto of questionable reliability? Something like a Kemper...
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Of course but you would need the power amp I would think. Not sure but with my stomp I have a frfr cab. (If that's required) you just over spent your budget.

Many professional people use that method but again there are tons that want the tube glow because it's real.
I think pros use them for travel convenience.
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
I just had a thought pop in my head. With so many options for metal/ hi gain amps, do modeling amps have a place for performers like Ramo instead of chasing his sound through a Recto of questionable reliability? Something like a Kemper...
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One comment..do you like sterile stage or one that is alive. Digi world ends up so many filters it really starts to remove the human aspect & maybe that is why music is so processed vs just playing. It is not rocket science to set an amp up properly from your low level playing to gig level. Its not the product usually. Sounding redundant but 3 hours last night not 1 amp was touched or level changed. Only few pedal stomps here & there for certain pops or ambience.
You get couple hours a week to finally cut loose..why play on more computers.
 
BFT, I have 0 experience with the Kemper type modeling amps, so this statement about sterility needs clarifying for me. Is it so, that modeling amps may sound like the real deal, but not enough to pass the sniff test when it comes to "sterile vs alive " in a stage environment?
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
BFT, I have 0 experience with the Kemper type modeling amps, so this statement about sterility needs clarifying for me. Is it so, that modeling amps may sound like the real deal, but not enough to pass the sniff test when it comes to "sterile vs alive " in a stage environment?
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Sorta, when you play into 010101 vs analog signal path,,you can only be under what the parameter 'they" who ever they are..set for you. I never want to be they lol or trapped by 'their' idea of what i should sound like. kemper lil dif..you capture your tone of your amps & then have a faithful on tap sound but now ya going FRFR cabs so you now are PA system sorta vs your organic knob twiddling rig that you connect with

Like the Sansamp pedal i have,, you would probably never use anything digi once using something like that..you turn a knob & it reacts with other parameters with the generic pre written algorithm.

You get sucked into buying products of other peoples work that kinda takes away the fun of personal music experience when you dial in just like someone else already did.

Nothing is right or wrong, but from running PA for awhile & really enjoying balancing bands. You can hear the raw bands vs the over processed. One is alive other is PAish like in the PA but sorta squashed or something , cant explain it.

Luckily we are playing at practice level shows with mic'd cabs pushing forward. So set up like practice but somewhere else. drummer will hit kick & soundman will dial mics in. No touchy after or you will toss the balance all off
 
BFT Gibson said:
Nothing is right or wrong, but from running PA for awhile & really enjoying balancing bands. You can hear the raw bands vs the over processed. One is alive other is PAish like in the PA but sorta squashed or something , cant explain it.
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BFT,

I remember going to see Rush play at Jiffy Lube Live maybe 14 or so years ago. I couldn't help feel as if the sound was muddy. I could not hear note definition too well from all 3 players. Drums, Geddy's bass. I wonder if it was that he was using a Sansamp type thing through monitors.

Alex's guitars was better if I remember. Pretty sure he was using his Hughes and Kettner amps
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
BFT,

I remember going to see Rush play at Jiffy Lube Live maybe 14 or so years ago. I couldn't help feel as if the sound was muddy. I could not hear note definition too well from all 3 players. Drums, Geddy's bass. I wonder if it was that he was using a Sansamp type thing through monitors.

Alex's guitars was better if I remember. Pretty sure he was using his Hughes and Kettner amps
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Its pretty hard to make a DI bass muddy.
Sometimes the soundguy is just off live unfortunately.I have seen Kix so many times here local, they either are ripping your head off or when balanced in with good sound guy are one the best live marshall bands ever heard. He gets that tele into the plexi or 800..ouch at York fair few years ago..
 
BFT, Yup, I was thinking how crazy it seemed that a band as well known and as veteran as Rush would not have a decent sound guy.

Still, I was disappointed in the sound that I vowed to never see another show at Jiffy Lube Live again. That Rush show was free since my friend won tix from the Baltimore radio station. The sound just sucked to me.

I have seen them in the Baltimore Arena and things were better. I also had a time when I was teching for my drummer friend in a venue in bmore. I think I heard that it was a converted Parking garage. I sat 120 feet back from the stage and could not hear his cymbal crashes. I'd see his arms swing, but weak/no sound to his cymbals. I attributed it to the acoustics in the room. All concrete.

Any of you guys who has gigged in various sized halls, let me know what is normal and what is a challenge to get good sound for the audiences.
 
chilipeppermaniac said:
Any of you guys who has gigged in various sized halls, let me know what is normal and what is a challenge to get good sound for the audiences.
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First off I have used my BluGuitar Amp1 pedal amp, which is analog but obviously very compact as it is a pedal with 3 switches. I always run the output to a cab as I need onstage sound.
We don't play anywhere near the volume that Ramo is. That has the ability to do so however. The bass and treble are essentially resonance and presence controls and the EQ is VERY responsive. I would gig with it again any time.

We set up our onstage levels to maych the drums. Many of the venues we have played with our own gear are smaller and he is a hard hitting drummer. The erums always bleed into vocal mics and during loud drumming passages, they outdo the rest of us.
We finally bought an acrylic Shield of Shame (reg'd by SGJohn :giggle: ) for the drummer and it helps a lot. Even in a bigger hall we use it, the kit is micd so his level can finally be controlled. Halls are very reflective of sound and can be boomy and seem louder than we are. Not much choice there.
If I can get the bass player to turn his guitar to full u0, we will have more consistent bass levels. He rides his volume and it is all 9ver the map, often killing the guitars out front.

The new digital board has gates on the mics which help reduce feedback amd mic bleed.
 
marshalltsl said:
What do happend? Do you just moved It to other place and It don't work?
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I was having vol problems at my last rehearsal even tho my master vol was maxed out.

Then some popping sounds between channel switching and it sounded like as if it had a blanket over the speakers.

I put it on today to play as i had a day off from work and there was nothing, no life….. completely dead.
 
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