Are G12M-65 Creamback Celestion speakers any good ??

Well my order was canceled just as well if it sounds like this video flab's out on the low end it may be the amp not sure
been using EVM12L and EVM12S speakers since 2010

 
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Well my order was canceled just as well if it sounds like this video flab's out on the low end it may be the amp not sure
been using EVM12L and EVM12S speakers since 2010

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If you are using EV's they are the purest speaker to reveal amps true tone. Any Celestion will color in mids & Emi/jensen something funky in lower mids or upper from my experience.

Speaker choice is huge in the sum total of your tone. If your dialed in & know your tone & in your band mix properly..sometimes ya gotta roll with it& experiment with 2nd sound until your are satisfied.
 
My two cents… Ok, maybe just one cent…:
I have no personal experience with the Celestion G12M-65, but when I wanted to try something different than the pair of Chinese-made Celestion V30’s that were in my old JCM800 4104 2x12 combo, I contacted Scumback Speakers and asked for a recommendation based on what they have to offer. Jim Seavall (Scumback owner) suggested his M75-LD’s, which are marketed as a pre-Rola G12M-65 with more low end. Immediately fell in love with these speakers. I now have five of the M75-LD’s in three different cabs. Same price as the Celestions, and they are broken in before they are shipped out.

Also found out after I converted to these Scumbacks, that Marshall originally equipped the early 80’s 4104 combos with the Celestion G12M-65, so I knew I was on the right track!

Scumback M Series Speakers

www.scumbackspeakers.com www.scumbackspeakers.com
 
Well they canceled my order now today in stock reordered it's shipped will get it next week saved 50% from retail
I think it was the coffin badge that did it for me have not had a coffin badge Marshall since I sold off my Marshall collection
 
I wish Celestion went with a different color for the new G12-65, instead of Cream. For those of us still hunting old cabinets, the real Creamback speakers were the transition G12H-25 with RIC cones that were used after the fire at the Pulsonic factory, and before Celestion went with the Kurt Mueller cones for the Blackback G12H-25. Unless they were going for an authentic reproduction of the '73 to '75 Creamback, I think that the color choice is completely misleading.

If they put a coffin badge on the cab, they should have made a 55 Hz option to get better low end response.

I don't have any Creambacks, but I do have Pulsonic 55 and 75 Hz G12H (and M)-25 loaded cabs, as well as a Blackback G12H-25 loaded cab. They sound fantastic, and are a high bar for for Celestion to claim one of their modern offerings will be in that same category. The Blackbacks sound every bit as good as the Pulsonics, and at a fraction of what the Pulsonics are worth these days.

Are the new Creambacks an 85 Hz speaker like the post '78 65 watt speakers? That seems to be when the guitar speakers started having poor low end response. Both the 75 Hz and 55 Hz speakers tended to have the optimate voice for guitar.
 
There was an excellent article about Celestion speakers on Solo Dallas's website, but it vanished when he redid his website into a shopping mall. Someone at MyLesPaul did copy and paste the text in a thread, so it's not completely gone.

Celestion has done some good stuff in the past, and I hope the Creambacks fall into that category. I do like the modern G12M-20s in my DST cabinet. They are 75 HZ. I'm not sure about the Anniversary Series G12H-30s though.

GREAT Article about Celestions!!!!
 
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I just wanted a cabinet for my Express amp I have other speakers if I don't care for the cream backs

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ST212

The same iconic JTM sound, but more compact - packing the power you know and love from Marshall, in a new compact size. Expertly crafted in Bletchley, England with Creamback Celestion speakers, this cab is ideal for creating that definitive vintage tone.
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I was paranoid the Studio JTM videos sounded like garbage it's the amp not the speakers cheap Chinese transformers
Pre 2010 I used one Trainwreck Express lead tones and a Trainwreck Rocket clean tones into a Marshall 4 x 12" cabinet green back 25 speakers
installed a Marshall stereo switch so the amps used 2 x 12" each with a channel switcher
2010 I changed amps to Dumble ODS style amps started building them and using with the band now using preamp distortion
the Express amp uses power amp distortion 6K6 primary output transformer
the 50 watt ODS amps use a 3K4 primary output transformer both amps are harmonic generators
The new Marshall JTM studio 2 x 12" cabinet with G12-65 cream backs sound amassing tight low end focused mid range crisp top end
with the Express amp so that proved the Studio JTM amps are garbage any one that has played a real Marshall JTM45 will understand
Marshall wants over $1700.00 for that new lame sounding amp head it doesn't have a choke or a GZ34 rectifier tube like a JTM45
the gut shots look like a DSL
now this video Robin Trower. I like Robin talked to him over the phone a few times my friend Duffy was a stage hand for 15 years
for Robin. I would play guitar over the phone Robin would tell me what guitar, amp and effects I was using 100% correct
all I can say one Marshall paid him to state this Studio JTM 20 sounds good or he is deaf now.


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