Marshall's U.S.A. Sales

SG John said:
I'm not sure of all of the details on what goods besides steel and aluminum were affect by the Trump trade war with China and other countries, but the tariffs have not yet been repealed. They are all still in effect with the exception of some commodities with the EU. They were never imposed on textiles, for obvious reasons. I'm sure this is a large factor in pricing of goods from abroad. It still effects many sectors of the economy, jobs, and availability of goods in general. Since many of the Marshall products are made in China, how would the tariffs actually be applied? English commercial goods made in China? Chinese commercial goods made in China? Then there's the ever popular 100% mark up each time a middle man changes goods from one warehouse to a boat, to another warehouse, to another warehouse, to a showroom. How an item that costs $0.85 to make, retails for $125.00.

If the English amps are effected with a high tariff and price tag, what are the sources or justification in the trade laws? I just ordered a bucket list amp while the Pound Sterling was in the tank ($1.00 = £1.18). The amp with shipping and taxes was less than $1900.00. And, it's a custom ordered hand made amp. Made in Meltham, West Yorkshire.
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Very good points!
 
If you're totally serious about your craft: to play hot-:poo: guitar.....you will eventually save enough to buy a Marshall.

...anything less is to be a "poseur"...

...How many of us learned to "tone" without a Marshall?? None of us, that's how many. And if you say otherwise, your tone sucks!!!

When you finally advance, all your non Marshall amps are based off your favorite Marshall amps...with some extra flavor...

I will now fight you all about why Marshall rules....lol


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mcblink said:
If you're totally serious about your craft: to play hot-:poo: guitar.....you will eventually save enough to buy a Marshall.

...anything less is to be a "poseur"...

...How many of us learned to "tone" without a Marshall?? None of us, that's how many. And if you say otherwise, your tone sucks!!!

When you finally advance, all your non Marshall amps are based off your favorite Marshall amps...with some extra flavor...

I will now fight you all about why Marshall rules....lol


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I'm not $1800 serious. $1200 is a stretch .
No doubt good tone but in metal many players do not use Marshall.
 
mcblink said:
If you're totally serious about your craft: to play hot-:poo: guitar.....you will eventually save enough to buy a Marshall.

...anything less is to be a "poseur"...

...How many of us learned to "tone" without a Marshall?? None of us, that's how many. And if you say otherwise, your tone sucks!!!

When you finally advance, all your non Marshall amps are based off your favorite Marshall amps...with some extra flavor...

I will now fight you all about why Marshall rules....lol


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Hahah Damn right!!!! Comment of the Month!

Fact is, when I went after my first half stack, I was debating a few choices. The first one that came to mind was a Peavey 5150 because EVH made them look awesome and my uncle had scored one that I loved. But he also had a Mesa Boogie MkIII and I loved that too, but didn't have the cash saved up for that territory. Had been busting ass doing odd jobs and helping my dad do house rewires ( child labor!) and was determined to get a big amp.

It was my dad who said " Look, if you're gonna spend all your money on an amp, how the hell are you gonna do better than a Marshall? It's THE amp, man". As we were talking, the video for Oasis " D'ya Know What I Mean?" came on MTV and there was a wall of Marshalls. Oasis definitely isn't metal, obviously lol, but it was almost perfect timing and a sign.

So, we went to the store that afternoon and I bought my first Marshall. Sadly, it was a nice 4500 Dual Reverb but the store had to order the 1960A cab, so in the meantime they loaned me this AWFUL used 4x12 Marshall Lead Cab with 35w G12Ls ( believe it was the first Valvestate cab) that didn't even fit the head and it sounded horrible. I ended up returning the amp after a month when the 1960A never arrived and took the money to another store and bought a 2500 SLX with the 1960A Cab.

Been an addict ever since lol
On a side note, I ended up with my uncle's 5150 anyways for about $350. Tolex was tore to hell by the time he sold it to me, but the amp was was in perfect working order. He had decided to stick with the Mesa Boogie and didnt like it. I ended up selling it to a "friend" of mine for $250 after having it for maybe 2 months, on the condition he keep it but sell it back to me if he didn't like it. He gave me a sob story of wishing he had a good amp but didnt have any money, so I took a loss on it. He ended up losing it in pawn just a few months later and never told me until I asked about it one day. So, @#$% him for that one.
 
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ibmorjamn said:
I'm not $1800 serious. $1200 is a stretch .
No doubt good tone but in metal many players do not use Marshall.
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One good question is: are you after a head and cab or a combo? A quick answer to either would be the DSL series. You can get a DSL100HR head for $1200 brand new, roughly $850 used. Combo wise, the DSL40CR 1x12 goes for $1032 new and about $650 used. There's also the DSL100H and DSL40C models that go even cheaper used.

Any of these are fine amps that check all the marks for anyone looking for a typical classic valved Marshall tone. In terms of metal playing? They certainly can cover that territory on their own, but as always, a good overdrive pedal front loaded into the amp gives it that push over the edge.
 
Clockworkmike said:
One good question is: are you after a head and cab or a combo? A quick answer to either would be the DSL series. You can get a DSL100HR head for $1200 brand new, roughly $850 used. Combo wise, the DSL40CR 1x12 goes for $1032 new and about $650 used. There's also the DSL100H and DSL40C models that go even cheaper used.

Any of these are fine amps that check all the marks for anyone looking for a typical classic valved Marshall tone. In terms of metal playing? They certainly can cover that territory on their own, but as always, a good overdrive pedal front loaded into the amp gives it that push over the edge.
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None of them because I had DSL 100 and a DSL 40c. Sold them both.
Neither DSL has the punch of 900 and then someone will come along and say the 900 doesn't have the punch the 800 has. So on and so forth.The only amp I miss is the 900 dual 2 x 12 / " back breaker". Lol
I did see a 1 x 12 jcm 900 combo ,that right there would work.

I never said I didn't like Marshall in the first post. I don't like the retailer inflation.
Point is they can keep them. If they never come down I will never own one again.

The CR sounds good. I would like to crank one up loud.
I guess what I didn't like about the 40c is lack of output. That can be fixed.
 
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ibmorjamn said:
None of them because I had DSL 100 and a DSL 40c. Sold them both.
Neither DSL has the punch of 900 and then someone come along and the 900 forsn't have the punch the 800 has. So on and so forth.The only amp I miss is the 900 dual 2 x 12 / back aligner. Lol
I did see a 1 x 12 jcm 900 combo that right there would work.

I never said I didn't like Marshall in the first post. I don't like the retailer inflation.
Point is they can keep them. If they never come down I will never own one again.
The CR sounds good. I guess what I didn't like about the 40c is lack of output. That can be fixed.
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Right now unfortunately, buying new is kind of a bad time when hunting Marshalls. They are pretty high as I compared to some other more boutique brands earlier here. The used market can go either way. Some sellers are trying to get new prices on recently used amps but it seems like the 800 and 900 series are 50/50 depending on where you look. 50watters are more easy to come by in either group, except the 900 SLX.
 
mcblink said:
If you're totally serious about your craft: to play hot-:poo: guitar.....you will eventually save enough to buy a Marshall.

...anything less is to be a "poseur"...

...How many of us learned to "tone" without a Marshall?? None of us, that's how many. And if you say otherwise, your tone sucks!!!

When you finally advance, all your non Marshall amps are based off your favorite Marshall amps...with some extra flavor...

I will now fight you all about why Marshall rules....lol


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OH BOY, and as a Marshall owner, I have to say, UMMMM I am pretty sure the Plexi, JVM, JMP were all based on the Fender Bassman design then altered somewhat.

Having said that, I am blessed or cursed in liking multiple Tones. Hiwatt tones, Marshall Tones, Fender Bassman/ Twin tones, Mesa Tones, Laney Tones, Peavey, Ampeg, Acoustic, Sunn, Eden, GK, Vox and so on.
 
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chilipeppermaniac said:
OH BOY, and as a Marshall owner, I have to say, UMMMM I am pretty sure the Plexi, JVM, JMP were all based on the Fender Bassman design then altered somewhat.
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Correct. All amps borrow from something else.

Marshalls are great and they have their place, but they are a tone that has been done to death, to the point that everyone sounds the same.
As was stated, I think there are good reasons so many hard rock and metal players have moved on - Marshall is a bit too fixated on their past tones because so many people are trying to relive their youth (the reason I want an 800, haha), and their more modern sounding amps are too complicated and too expensive for what they are.
 
Buy a Friedman amp I got my sister in law a new one I can't build one for that price.
Save up I see a repeat of 2007/2008 housing sales new car sales it's all crashing buy used
2008 I was buying guitars and amps a dime on the dollar
I shut my tool making company down 2008 now I'm getting orders the wholesale price of materials has quadrupled now
The tariffs the EU put on Russian made tubes 38%
 
ibmorjamn said:
I just love the 6505+ but my attenuator wouldn't handle the wattage.
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I personally think the 6505+ is better than
chilipeppermaniac said:
OH BOY, and as a Marshall owner, I have to say, UMMMM I am pretty sure the Plexi, JVM, JMP were all based on the Fender Bassman design then altered somewhat.
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That statement would mostly be true for the JTM45 ( initial Plexi) as it is very copied from the Bassman but it's end result was different due to European components substituting in for American components and value changes.

The circuitry became very different once they began expanding into JTM50/100 territory and even more so of a big departure once they jumped to Super Leads and JMPs, creating entirely new designs largely due to changes in the rectifier sections and transformers. The JVM however, would be an evolutionary leap forward in comparisons to the Bassman circuit with no resemblance whatsoever.
 
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