Marshall's U.S.A. Sales

ibmorjamn said:
If I was good enough to make money I wouldn't flinch but not me.
I wouldn't buy a Dumble if I hit the lottery.
Maybe a original. Train wreck but they can also be built.
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Dumble/their clones is not a tone I am at all interested in. I need high-gain amps. Was about to pull the trigger on the Studio Classic when the prices started going up. Can't belive you passed on one for $1200 - that's less than they were when they first hit the market. I would have pulled the trigger on that deal without hesitating for one second.
 
gball said:
Dumble/their clones is not a tone I am at all interested in. I need high-gain amps. Was about to pull the trigger on the Studio Classic when the prices started going up. Can't belive you passed on one for $1200 - that's less than they were when they first hit the market. I would have pulled the trigger on that deal without hesitating for one second.
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I bought one in Sept of 21. From Italy. Didn’t think to ask but it was a 220v only head. Had to buy a $40 inverter. Still a good deal.

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gball said:
Dumble/their clones is not a tone I am at all interested in. I need high-gain amps. Was about to pull the trigger on the Studio Classic when the prices started going up. Can't belive you passed on one for $1200 - that's less than they were when they first hit the market. I would have pulled the trigger on that deal without hesitating for one second.
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Stidio Classic has very little gain without a pedal, IMHO
 
iblive said:
I have no doubt. When Traynor did a “reissue” on the YGM3 some years back I believe it was retailing in the 1000-1200 range.

Don’t know about the reissue, but the original is built like a tank. Pete Traynor was one of those that if a little is good….. make it better….. which every time I carry that thing equates to heavier. I think the main transformer weighs as much as some current amps. :pound-hand:
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Traynor did indeed do the drop test in late 60s. Drop an amp out of 2nd story window. Put tubes in and it should work.
I read stuff on Pete Traynor.
gball said:
I don't know man. Sure seems like the did to me. They definitely went up dramatically more than Mesas, Victory (another English company) and ENGLs - I've been keeping an eye on all of these, thinking about getting a new head.
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A lot of the price depends on duities etc on import.
Example.
I bought a Mesa Mini Recto prolly 10 years ago new for $999. It went up to $1299 at some point where it stayed for a few years.
Last year here they were maybe $1700 as I recall.
Right now they are $2150.
Our dollar hasn't changed that much and the US is closer than UK.
That is crazy.
 
Inspector #20 said:
Stidio Classic has very little gain without a pedal, IMHO
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But, it's still more gain that you really need, if you know what I mean, and the '800 circuit has the midrange heft where it needs it and requires very little coaxing to go over the edge, but also keeps enough headroom to be versatile. I gigged a 2204 for many years and got to know it very well - and the little Classic sounds uncannily like it to my ears and with nothing more than a TS-9 you have every classic Metal tone there is. I don't need it sound modern, I have other amps for that. I kind of want one to give me that "tone of yore" that all those guys were chasing with modded Plexis back in the day.
 
gball said:
But, it's still more gain that you really need, if you know what I mean, and the '800 circuit has the midrange heft where it needs it and requires very little coaxing to go over the edge, but also keeps enough headroom to be versatile. I gigged a 2204 for many years and got to know it very well - and the little Classic sounds uncannily like it to my ears and with nothing more than a TS-9 you have every classic Metal tone there is. I don't need it sound modern, I have other amps for that. I kind of want one to give me that "tone of yore" that all those guys were chasing with modded Plexis back in the day.
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I've not been a big JCM800 2204 fan. Even the hopped up, Mike Morin version i felt was lacking in terms of gain structure without a pedal.

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Now, the Origin that @syscokid hopped up has more gain - just on its own - than the studio's JCM800 2204 (shown above) can produce WITH a TS-9.

I like the fact that i can dial the Origin back without losing the punch and structure.
 
gball said:
But, it's still more gain that you really need, if you know what I mean, and the '800 circuit has the midrange heft where it needs it...
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Just for fun, here's my 2021 Gibson Les Paul 50's Standard Gold Top (BB3 Bridge) straight into my @syscokid hot-rodded Origin, driving my (2) Celestion Copperback 250's, and mic'd in a hardwood-floored room from 3 feet away with a SM-57.

The EQ's on the amp are all set abput halfway and the gain is about 2/3rds up.

Both guitar parts were played with exactly the same settings:

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Inspector #20 said:
Just for fun, here's my 2021 Gibson Les Paul 50's Standard Gold Top (BB3 Bridge) straight into my @syscokid hot-rodded Origin, driving my (2) Celestion Copperback 250's, and mic'd in a hardwood-floored room from 3 feet away with a SM-57.

The EQ's on the amp are all set abput halfway and the gain is about 2/3rds up.

Both guitar parts were played with exactly the same settings:

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Hey, don't take this the wrong way, but that seems to be a little more tame in the gain that a stock 800 to me. Maybe you have it dialed back a bit but doesn't have the hair in the upper midrange that I am used to hearing from an 800. Now, I realize that out of the box an Origin is basically a clean amp and you've modded it but just going from that clip it has the usual karang I kind of expect from a plexi-style circuit and not the crunch that an 800 or 900 has.

Anyway, personally a moot point. I put a pedal in front of every amp I use. I have not found one single amp yet, regardless of make or price, that doesn't benefit from a good OD in front of it. Especially when that OD has a good buffer in it.
 
gball said:
Hey, don't take this the wrong way, but that seems to be a little more tame in the gain that a stock 800 to me. Maybe you have it dialed back a bit but doesn't have the hair in the upper midrange that I am used to hearing from an 800. Now, I realize that out of the box an Origin is basically a clean amp and you've modded it but just going from that clip it has the usual karang I kind of expect from a plexi-style circuit and not the crunch that an 800 or 900 has.

Anyway, personally a moot point. I put a pedal in front of every amp I use. I have not found one single amp yet, regardless of make or price, that doesn't benefit from a good OD in front of it. Especially when that OD has a good buffer in it.
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No worries!

That's the Origin gain about 1pm without pulling out the boost and without a pedal.

That's about DOUBLE what the Mike Morin Modded JCM800 2204 puts out with a TS-9 in front of it.

But, i agree with you, i like the "tightness" the TS-9 imparts to the tone.

Now, @syscokid tells me this new 50 watt is very tight in stock form, based on how he and @ivan H designed the circuits...and im looking forward to hitting it with a TS-9 too!!!!
 
It's no secret I got a massive Marshall bias and probably always will lol but yeah, in fairness, Marshall has kinda been pushing their prices up quite ridiculously in recent years.

While there are still some affordable Marshall models out there like the Origins and their MG series ( mostly import models but I'm not gonna snob them because I really like the Origin honestly for a classic sounding Marshall at a user friendly price); the mainstay amps are absolutely overinflated in pricing these days. A damn JCM 800 2203X is $3549 and a JCM 900 4100 Dual Reverb comes in at $2999.99. That is just insane. Neither one of these were even close to that price by adjusted for inflation during their initial releases. In fact, the JCM 800 series was deliberately priced to be reasonable to customers as a big middle finger to the Rose Morris Company when Jim Marshall finally got out of that deal. That's why they were literally found in any corner of the Earth during the 1980s.

When compared to more boutique amps, it really shows how bad the pricing has gotten. For example a Soldano SLO100 and Friedman BE-100, are both $3999.99, an ENGL Savage 120 is $3000, a Bogner Ecstasy is $3818 and finally, a Diezel VH2 is $2999.00. So it's easy to see, Marshall is trying to price into boutique brand prices at major brand manufacturing rates and speed. That is pushing it quite a bit

I would love to see them go back to Jim Marshall's etiquette of providing great British Amps for the masses and not the chosen few. But I ain't holding my breath much like how Gibson has begun changing their clientele catering.
 
I'm not sure of all of the details on what goods besides steel and aluminum were affect by the Trump trade war with China and other countries, but the tariffs have not yet been repealed. They are all still in effect with the exception of some commodities with the EU. They were never imposed on textiles, for obvious reasons. I'm sure this is a large factor in pricing of goods from abroad. It still effects many sectors of the economy, jobs, and availability of goods in general. Since many of the Marshall products are made in China, how would the tariffs actually be applied? English commercial goods made in China? Chinese commercial goods made in China? Then there's the ever popular 100% mark up each time a middle man changes goods from one warehouse to a boat, to another warehouse, to another warehouse, to a showroom. How an item that costs $0.85 to make, retails for $125.00.

If the English amps are effected with a high tariff and price tag, what are the sources or justification in the trade laws? I just ordered a bucket list amp while the Pound Sterling was in the tank ($1.18 = £1.00). The amp with shipping and taxes was less than $1900.00. And, it's a custom ordered hand made amp. Made in Meltham, West Yorkshire.
 
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iblive said:
I have no doubt. When Traynor did a “reissue” on the YGM3 some years back I believe it was retailing in the 1000-1200 range.

Don’t know about the reissue, but the original is built like a tank. Pete Traynor was one of those that if a little is good….. make it better….. which every time I carry that thing equates to heavier. I think the main transformer weighs as much as some current amps. :pound-hand:
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IB,

I bought a pair of EV speakers last spring like 67plexi likes.

Pretty sure I paid the guy like $300, $325 for the pair plus an empty 4x12 Traynor cab. I know the cab is built like a tank, it was built to last.
 
gball said:
Dumble/their clones is not a tone I am at all interested in. I need high-gain amps. Was about to pull the trigger on the Studio Classic when the prices started going up. Can't belive you passed on one for $1200 - that's less than they were when they first hit the market. I would have pulled the trigger on that deal without hesitating for one second.
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I know, it was a deal. Chicago Music Exchange. They suddenly matched other prices now.
 
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