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Amp Mad Scientist
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You see the grandiose miscalculation.
our electric grid is only 47% efficient......and it's unbelieveable that this fact is ignored.
It will take more fuel to make the electricity, then if we poured the fuel into the cars, themselves.
Electric cars will use more fuel than ever before....not less.
Until we make all electricity from non fuel sources....this electric car plan is thoroughly and sadly flawed.
Hydrogen cars are even less efficient than electric cars. A monumental screw up.
Stated this way, that is incorrect. Though, the confusion is understandable.
When discussing energy creation, you'll often see the term "primary energy". One may think this is the electrical energy that actually enters the grid. However, it is not. Primary energy is the raw energy found in nature, prior to any conversion process. For the purposes of electrical generation, it would be the fuel, such as coal.
It is true that the total energy loss of converting a primary energy to electricity and distributing the resultant electricity to the point of usage can well exceed 60%. But, that includes the inefficiency of the converting the fuel (primary energy) to electrical energy in the first place, which, itself, can be about 54%. Actual distribution losses generally run in the 5% to 7% range. And the actual building may introduce additional losses.
The point is, whereas the total energy loss encountered from the point of primary energy to point of usage may be 63% (or more), it is not correct to say that the actual distribution loss in the grid is 63%
This article helps explain a bit:
How Much Primary Energy Is Wasted Before Consumers See Value from Electricity? - Enerdynamics
How much of the primary energy that goes into creating electricity actual provides useful work to us as consumers? According to the EIA, 66% of the primary energy used to create electricity is wasted by the time the electricity arrives at the customer meter. So where does the wasted energy go?
www.enerdynamics.com
Amp Mad Scientist
Ambassador of Heresy
My source of information:
The California Energy Commission.
They have published a figure of 63% distribution loss.
And that was based on years of studies, done by some highly qualified people.
Right now some Cal Poly Students are in full public disagreement with Government energy policies.
Because the calculations of electric grid efficiency are wrong....and fundamentally flawed.
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Can you link the reference for me to look at?
I have been unable to locate that information.
The closest I've been able to find are reports, such as the one linked below. Although this report by the CEC is concerned primarily with electric generation capacity and energy at the power plant and does not provide an in-depth analysis of distribution losses, per se, the bottom of this report does indicate that transmission and delivery losses to the customer's meter are around 7-8%.
Electric Generation Capacity and Energy
Of course, it's possible this information is incorrect and/or out of date and a more accurate report exists.
You know something....???
I intentionally avoid the news. I could care less what governments decide. They are never truthful.
I prefer to live in my bubble with my bird feeders.
I don't even discuss music, because there's no money in it.
I play what im paid to play.
I listen to stuff from the 1980's that i like.
I've never owned a car with an automatic.
You would never understand how i process things, so i just stopped explaining.
I'm slowing giving away my musical equipment to people who have a burning desire to learn and to perform.
I'll keep one amp and a Les Paul.
I logged onto Facebook today to post a Happy Birthday message to my wife - the first time I've been on Facebook in almost 2 months.
Life is much simpler now....much more peaceful
I intentionally avoid the news. I could care less what governments decide. They are never truthful.
I prefer to live in my bubble with my bird feeders.
I don't even discuss music, because there's no money in it.
I play what im paid to play.
I listen to stuff from the 1980's that i like.
I've never owned a car with an automatic.
You would never understand how i process things, so i just stopped explaining.
I'm slowing giving away my musical equipment to people who have a burning desire to learn and to perform.
I'll keep one amp and a Les Paul.
I logged onto Facebook today to post a Happy Birthday message to my wife - the first time I've been on Facebook in almost 2 months.
Life is much simpler now....much more peaceful
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I don't have to work for the gov't to mistrust them.
But it helped to open my eyes
Robert my brother, I would love to discuss this topic in depth with you, however our no politics policy prevents me from doing so with you on this forum.
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Session 5
Ambassador of Strings & Wings
I’ll be 81. Likewise!! Although….. the way this body feels already…. May need block and tackle to help me get in and out.
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One reason im becoming quieter and quieter, my friend
Guess I’ve come to terms with some things. I’m at that point where I’m old enough and just too tired of looking over my shoulder all the time wondering how the man’s gonna screw me this time. I want to enjoy my time with family….. wife…. Kids…. Grandkids…. And let all you “young guys” fight the battles. That may be lame, but it’s the only way I’m staying sane in these really really weird times.
I agree and I too am too old and too tired to fight any battles. The only thing I need to do is save my soul and that is not a battle if I do it right.
That patio looks very inviting. I would spend much time there if I lived there. I am enjoying looking at the night sky much more than watching the TV now-a-days. I have recently woken up and now look at this world much differently.
Session 5
Ambassador of Strings & Wings
Most portable generators can charge a Tesla with 110 V at 30 A. Portable generators can add about 4 miles of range per hour. Larger 240 V generators can add up to 30 miles of battery range per hour..
Ahh gasoline comes to the rescue again, they gonna need those generators, cause there won't be enough charging stations available for many years, not to mention when you stop to charge and have to wait in line.
Ahh gasoline comes to the rescue again, they gonna need those generators, cause there won't be enough charging stations available for many years, not to mention when you stop to charge and have to wait in line.
Session 5
Ambassador of Strings & Wings
Amp Mad Scientist
Ambassador of Heresy
Well it's like this:
We have a wind farm with hundreds of wind turbines...near Palm Springs.
But instead of using the power in Palm Springs (which is close by...)
The power is routed to a place more than 60 miles away.
Insuring that the power generated by wind will be used as inefficiently as possible...creating the most loss of power possible, through long distribution lines.
Thereby:
making wind energy appear inefficient and impractical.
It's deliberate.
The people who do this:
want to make green energy appear useless and costly.
They know that wind energy "could" replace commercial power.....easily.
And they know that commercial power "could" be out of business.
But more than this:
Commercial Power wants to control ALL our energy...
and that includes replacing the gas powered cars with electric....
It's a money grab.
We have a wind farm with hundreds of wind turbines...near Palm Springs.
But instead of using the power in Palm Springs (which is close by...)
The power is routed to a place more than 60 miles away.
Insuring that the power generated by wind will be used as inefficiently as possible...creating the most loss of power possible, through long distribution lines.
Thereby:
making wind energy appear inefficient and impractical.
It's deliberate.
The people who do this:
want to make green energy appear useless and costly.
They know that wind energy "could" replace commercial power.....easily.
And they know that commercial power "could" be out of business.
But more than this:
Commercial Power wants to control ALL our energy...
and that includes replacing the gas powered cars with electric....
It's a money grab.
Look at Lockhart on a map of California
BFT Gibson
Ambassador of Originality
